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Hi all, I have a tourney coming up this weekend and am thinking of running my guard. I have tweeked this list a few times and I think it's something I like from both a visual aspect as well as competitive. Please advise your thoughts and comments. Thanks

HQ

CCS - MoO, Lascannon, Standard, Chimera ML/HHB 170 pts
Lord Commissar PW 80 pts (warlord)

Elites
Marbo 65 pts

Troops
PCS - 4 flamer (In vendetta)
IS - Plasma, Auto cannon, PW
IS - Plasma, Auto cannon, Pw
IS - Plasma, Auto cannon
Total 295 pts

Vet squad - 3 plasma, chimera ML/HHB 170 pts
Vet Squad - 3 melta, chimera ML/HHF 155 pts
Vet squad - 3 melta, chimera ML/HHF155 pts

Fast Attack
Vendetta 130 pts
Vendetta 130 pts

Heavy Support
Manticore with HHB 160 pts
LRBT with HHB 150 pts
LR Executioner with HHB 190 pts

Total 1850
Basic strategy has my IS blobbed joined with the commissar providing a tough leadership so no breaking. They bring it down as much as they can with orders from CCS. Vets go out and do their thing with russes shielding. Vendettas pop flyers and any AV that need las. PCS helps out with hoards and tries to grab any objective possible. Thanks for reading.

You could drop the sniper from the CCS and give both of the Vendettas Heavy Bolters, a single sniper rifle's probably not going to do much for you anyway, and with most flyers AV11 or lower those Heavy Bolters could be nice for your flyer hunting.

The list is good. I'm not sure I understand the need for the Lord Commissar though.

The commissar is there to make sure my blob squad never breaks and uses the 10 leadership for orders rolls and morale checks. Plus the standard allows to reroll failed morale checks so i wanted to be sure that this unit would hold my home objective for good.

This actually looks pretty close to what I run, except I don't have flyers (more infantry/chimeras instead).

I would drop the sniper rifle. With 20 points left over, you can swap out the flamers on the PCS to meltas.

I like the melta idea, but don't you think it would be good to have some flamers in case I face nids or orks? 4 flamers plus the heavy flame on the chimera is a lot of hits if I ever got so lucky .

Well, you have the manticore and LRBT for that, as well as the HF on your chimeras.

 skycapt44 wrote:
The commissar is there to make sure my blob squad never breaks and uses the 10 leadership for orders rolls and morale checks. Plus the standard allows to reroll failed morale checks so I wanted to be sure that this unit would hold my home objective for good.

Wouldn't a normal commissar be more points efficient? Especially as you're already including a standard. I know it's only a small thing, it's just there's not a lot to fault! My only other criticism is you're a little low on AV12 - it won't be too difficult to deal with them in my opinion.

I would also use the Lord commissar as my warlord and he would be protected in a 30 man blob and likely survive longer to avoid giving away easy warlord points compared to the easy to kill 5 man CCS.

I did think about a regular one but only really save 35pts. Then again I could use those to get a PW on all my sergts.

I do have 7 AV 12 which is a good amount I feel as well as 2 av14. Where could I get more AV12 from?

 skycapt44 wrote:
Where could I get more AV12 from?

Your reasoning seems sound.

As for this question: the only place I can see you getting another AV12 from is by ditching a PIS, but I'm sure that's not an option. As I said before, it was a small criticism. The list is good. I've just started to feel that if you want chimeras, you have to spam them - going all or nothing. I've tried hybrid lists and those chimeras turn into 55 point coffins that don't actually move forward. I've now switched to lists with no chimeras. Rolling 5+ saved on explosions, kills a lot, or just leaves them stranded mid field. This is my opinion though.

I usually run with 6 chimeras in my 2000 pts list. And you're right, when they explode it is a bad day. That being said I find they usually die from loss of hull points so 75% of the time I get wrecked.

I haven't played the list yet. Gonna test it out Friday to see how it works. I appreciate your comments. What do you think about meltas instead of flamers in the PCS? Some one suggested wondering if it will work better since he did point out the manticore and LRBT and HHF can handle hoards just fine.

 skycapt44 wrote:
I usually run with 6 chimeras in my 2000 pts list. And you're right, when they explode it is a bad day. That being said I find they usually die from loss of hull points so 75% of the time I get wrecked.

I haven't played the list yet. Gonna test it out Friday to see how it works. I appreciate your comments. What do you think about meltas instead of flamers in the PCS? Some one suggested wondering if it will work better since he did point out the manticore and LRBT and HHF can handle hoards just fine.

The meltas are more expensive, and miss 50% of the time. The Manticore and LRBT won't often be shooting at the same target as normal flamers. Yeah the HHF can handle hordes, but you can't always guarantee they're going to be in the same place unless you specifically drive towards them, since they're not going to get close to that HHF. Personally I'd put the flamers in a Vendetta, and leave the chimera as a great way to stop your blob from being assaulted. For example you can drive up and park it right in front of an assaulting squad so your opponent either a) has to shoot it ignoring more valuable targets, or b) assault it giving you another turn of shooting at the assaulter. Recently I saw a game where the guard player simply drove an empty chimera 12" and blocked 2 rhinos from moving. A tiny mistake by the opponent on misplacement of his 2 rhinos, caused him to have to reverse backwards and go around the building he was using as cover. Essentially neutering 400pts of his army for 3 turns. Now obviously these are great anecdotes of amazing situations, and the chimera could be nothing more than a stationary search light, but it gives you an option that you wouldn't otherwise have.

Flamers in the vendetta are also an excellent way of clearing people of objectives, or even grabbing objectives on turn 5. My last game the PCS with flamers deep struck right on top of an objective and caused the tactical squad to run off the board. Yeah they got slaughtered the next go, but it made my opponent change his plans. Numerous times I've used them to get in and clear gaunts or eldar too. It's a 5 man squad, so it's less likely to scatter into impassable terrain too. In a chimera they're highly likely to be stranded in the middle of the table out of range with flamers of just about everything, only to be cleared up as your opponent strolls past them.

Interesting thoughts there. I could throw them in the vendetta. Do you think it risks leaving the vendetta high and dry to regular fire as I would have to switch flight modes? Vendettas will likely be there turn 2 or 3 so odds are if they get shot down those 5 guys are toast as people tend to focus fire on them. I think I will play test that idea on Friday and see if it will work for my tourny Sunday. Thanks for the tip. Stealing or ruining my opponents objective would be nice.

Nah, don't bother switching to hover, just grav-chute them out. There's no limit on shooting if you do thanks to a sweet FAQ update.

I guess it is worth the risk with only 5 guys for grav chute. Going to try that Friday. Should I use that Chimera for my CCS?

The chimera would boost their survivability rate. And grav shoot is awesome! I run two platoons and each platoon command squad has 4 flamers and runs in vendettas. I played against my friends nids and he hated when my vendettas just flew over a swarm of his droping of a squad of flamers roasting his swarms lol good times. Its great for capturingg objectives or taking out enemy armor. The list looks great as well! Im thinking of running a list close to this. My gunline is good but im looking to try some new things.

Thanks all for the help my modified list is updated and I am pretty happy how it looks. I'll test Friday and offer results.