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Hey everyone, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the rule for the amount of attacks a Chosen would have with 2xLightning Claws

The stats are 2A base, + 2LC = +1A for same weapon

My confusion stems from me understanding that 2 of the same weapons gives +1 attack, then adding +1 attack once more because you matched Specialist Weapons as you are carrying 2 when equip with a pair.

Does that mean a single Chosen will have 4 attacks if given a pair of LCs?

Well, possessed can't take claws. But assuming you mean chosen or any other 2A model with claw option, it works like this: 2A base. +1A for 2 weapons. Specialist Weapon prohibits you from claiming that +1A for 2 weapons unless both have the rule, not giving you an extra attack if both have the rule. It's a fine distinction. So if you have a LC and a chainsword, you only get 2 attacks despite having two weapons. If you have a LC and a power fist, then both weapons have Specialist and you are thus permitted to claim the +1 A for fighting with two weapons and thus get 3 attacks with either weapon.

A 2A model with 2 lightning claws has 3 LC attacks.

GoliothOnline wrote:
2 of the same weapons gives +1 attack

This part is not correct. If you have 2 CCW you get a bonus attack, unless one is a specialist weapon or two-handed. So you would have 2 Attacks, +1 for 2 CCWs since they are both specialist weapons.

 GreyHamster wrote:
Well, possessed can't take claws. But assuming you mean chosen or any other 2A model with claw option, it works like this: 2A base. +1A for 2 weapons. Specialist Weapon prohibits you from claiming that +1A for 2 weapons unless both have the rule, not giving you an extra attack if both have the rule. It's a fine distinction. So if you have a LC and a chainsword, you only get 2 attacks despite having two weapons. If you have a LC and a power fist, then both weapons have Specialist and you are thus permitted to claim the +1 A for fighting with two weapons and thus get 3 attacks with either weapon.

A 2A model with 2 lightning claws has 3 LC attacks.

yes my apologies, corrected for silliness XD


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So the answer is 3Attacks if you have 2 LCs?

Yes; normally 2 CCW would give you +1A, but specialist weapons denies this unless both weapons are specialist. So twin LC, both being specialist, give you the usual +1A for having 2 CCW

Nos you have confused me again :(

Lol XD

A simple 3 or 4 will suffice now and I will work my head around it once I have some more coffee.

From the way I'm seeing things with my marvelously (and apparently flawed lol) eyes;
Replacing my CCW + Boltgun + Boltpistol for 2xLCs means I have 2 CCW that are Specialist.
I must be simply thinking they are better than they are if I believe that you gain +1 attack for Specialist Weapons and +1 attack for having 2 CCWs now =/

Anyways, next post of either 3 - 4 attacks I'll humbly accept and wrap my head around later on. Thanks guys!

3

2A + 1 (for two specialist weapons) = 3



If you had a LC + Pistol OR CCW it would be 2

2A + 0 (LC is a specialist weapons, so it needs another specialist weapon to get the bonus BP or CCW are not specialist so no bonus for you). = 2

To put this simply, to aid understanding:

You'll only ever get +1 Attack for having more than one close combat weapon. (...in the Chaos Codex, don't get me started on Nids.)
Specialist Weapon *RESTRICTS* you from getting that bonus, unless both of your close combat weapons are Specialist Weapons.

So you get:
2 Attacks base
1 Attack for having two close combat weapons
You then check that your weapons aren't mismatching on Specialist, and you don't remove the extra Attack as a result of having 2.

Let's hope that does it...

 Super Ready wrote:
To put this simply, to aid understanding:

You'll only ever get +1 Attack for having more than one close combat weapon. (...in the Chaos Codex, don't get me started on Nids.)
Specialist Weapon *RESTRICTS* you from getting that bonus, unless both of your close combat weapons are Specialist Weapons.

So you get:
2 Attacks base
1 Attack for having two close combat weapons
You then check that your weapons aren't mismatching on Specialist, and you don't remove the extra Attack as a result of having 2.

Let's hope that does it...

I don't think it can be explained any clearer than this

So yes, the answer is 3.

Thank you everyone <3

Very helpful!