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I have a question about the base size for models, what is the stipulation regarding what size base you can use on your model? Let me explain the best I can so you all can understand what I mean, I just purchased a Warpsmith which is supposed to be on a 25mm base, I want to do a scenic base for him and want to use a terminator base, is this allowed, or do I have to use the base the model was supplied with? The reason I ask is because I have a few models in my army I would like to do conversions on but they need larger bases but if they are not allowed then I can not do the conversions. Any and all help clearing this issue up would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Unless your army is being built for tournament play, put them on whatever bases you want, and you'll have a handy early-warning-system to tell you who to avoid playing, since anyone who would throw a hissy-fit over putting minis on scenic bases isn't worth your time.

5th edition had the stipulation that models had to be based on the size provided with the fig (which also meant Chaos Daemons on square bases was perfectly legal).

I haven't seen such a rule in the 6th edition book, though admittedly I haven't been looking for it.

My thought was always "if they're on a bigger base they're easier to hit" so I just go ahead and do it.

I'd say go ahead and mount on whatever scenic base you want.

Going strictly by the BRB, page 3 does not say you cannot;

Models and Base Sizes
The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases, you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using
models of a similar type as guidance.



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Of course, this could also cause you issues depending on who you're playing against with all of the rules regarding Base contact and templates only requiring to touch the base.

But if it's against a friendly bunch I don't see an issue. If it's tournament play, it would be up to the TO and/or your opponent (I wouldn't have a problem with it myself as it just makes you easier to get to/hit).

It does not say I can't is not how a permissive ruleset works.

It must say you can, otherwise you can not.

"Models and Base Sizes
The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with"

I would put them on the bases they were supplied with, or what the current models use (E.G. terminators are on 40mm, basic infantry on 25mm bases Etc...)

Though if it is just one model on a terminator base as opposed to a 25mm base, I would not take issue with that. A squad of 30 ork boys on 40mm bases, I would take issue with as that makes them work very differently with blast markers.

Well then the bigger question is;

What are the models being used for? Tournament play? FLGS? A bunch of friends?

If it's anything but Tournament play there really shouldnt be an issue with having a few scenic bases (as he DOES say he wants to have a "few" on scenic bases that would not be of standard size).

As for permission how do you interpret "Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases"? It says some models may be on unusual sized bases. That could (in the loose interpretations many use around here) very well be condoning the occassional odd base (therefore granting permission).

 DeathReaper wrote:
It does not say I can't is not how a permissive ruleset works.

It must say you can, otherwise you can not.

"Models and Base Sizes
The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with"

I would put them on the bases they were supplied with, or what the current models use (E.G. terminators are on 40mm, basic infantry on 25mm bases Etc...)

Though if it is just one model on a terminator base as opposed to a 25mm base, I would not take issue with that. A squad of 30 ork boys on 40mm bases, I would take issue with as that makes them work very differently with blast markers.

"a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases" what do you infer from that statement. As the rule book assumes the model is mounted on the base the are supplied with, not that it needs to be modeled for the rules to apply.. As we can model them on whatever size we like using modes of similar size as a guide. A slightly larger, more extravigent model with lots of flowing capes and wide swept weapons may simpy need a bigger base. I totally agree that this should be reserved for HQ characters and alike, its definitivly MFA if you base whole squads on larger bases. But I read it as

I can't remember if my bikes originally came with bases but I've never based them. I just play them like jet bikes for targeting and BTB purposes. Have not had one complaint. I also have a bipedal Defiler, I made sure to keep it the same height and based it on a oval base to mark out the defilers length and something close to its width. Are they legal in your opinion?

 Bausk wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
It does not say I can't is not how a permissive ruleset works.

It must say you can, otherwise you can not.

"Models and Base Sizes
The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with"

I would put them on the bases they were supplied with, or what the current models use (E.G. terminators are on 40mm, basic infantry on 25mm bases Etc...)

Though if it is just one model on a terminator base as opposed to a 25mm base, I would not take issue with that. A squad of 30 ork boys on 40mm bases, I would take issue with as that makes them work very differently with blast markers.

"a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases" what do you infer from that statement. As the rule book assumes the model is mounted on the base the are supplied with, not that it needs to be modeled for the rules to apply.. As we can model them on whatever size we like using modes of similar size as a guide. A slightly larger, more extravigent model with lots of flowing capes and wide swept weapons may simpy need a bigger base. I totally agree that this should be reserved for HQ characters and alike, its definitivly MFA if you base whole squads on larger bases. But I read it as

I can't remember if my bikes originally came with bases but I've never based them. I just play them like jet bikes for targeting and BTB purposes. Have not had one complaint. I also have a bipedal Defiler, I made sure to keep it the same height and based it on a oval base to mark out the defilers length and something close to its width. Are they legal in your opinion?

As to your legal imo, sure. however you went and tried to make them "legal" What if I have a Trygon on a Termie base?

If you use a 40mm base, remember when he's in close combat that his profile has increased, so more guys can be hitting him.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 Bausk wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
It does not say I can't is not how a permissive ruleset works.

It must say you can, otherwise you can not.

"Models and Base Sizes
The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with"

I would put them on the bases they were supplied with, or what the current models use (E.G. terminators are on 40mm, basic infantry on 25mm bases Etc...)

Though if it is just one model on a terminator base as opposed to a 25mm base, I would not take issue with that. A squad of 30 ork boys on 40mm bases, I would take issue with as that makes them work very differently with blast markers.

"a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases" what do you infer from that statement. As the rule book assumes the model is mounted on the base the are supplied with, not that it needs to be modeled for the rules to apply.. As we can model them on whatever size we like using modes of similar size as a guide. A slightly larger, more extravigent model with lots of flowing capes and wide swept weapons may simpy need a bigger base. I totally agree that this should be reserved for HQ characters and alike, its definitivly MFA if you base whole squads on larger bases. But I read it as

I can't remember if my bikes originally came with bases but I've never based them. I just play them like jet bikes for targeting and BTB purposes. Have not had one complaint. I also have a bipedal Defiler, I made sure to keep it the same height and based it on a oval base to mark out the defilers length and something close to its width. Are they legal in your opinion?

As to your legal imo, sure. however you went and tried to make them "legal" What if I have a Trygon on a Termie base?

What? IMO yes they are, in your opinion are they?

Is a MC is legally able to be mounted on a 40mm or 25mm base? Well no, not really as the model is clearly too big you'd need to mount it on something that fits its size, a 60mm base maybe.

The scenic base thing pretty much applies to things like this



And dynamic poses like this one using a 60mm base instead of a 40mm



Where we are not penalised or diallowed from playing for modeling. The line and exception is definitive MFA.

Those Tau look ridiculous, they look like fat guys trying to do the splits.

Who would even model them like that?

I don't even know anymore. It's the simple things though in a tournament setting do you want 11/12 people using the "proper" base and 1/12 using a base that can give an advantage?