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Thoughts and comments appreciated!

Abby 265

x5 chosen + rhino +3 flamers 140

x5 chosen +rhino + 4 melta 165

x5 chosen +rhino + 4 melta 165

x5 chosen x2 plasma 120

Landraider 230

140 tri las pred
140 Tri las pred

Aeigis gun 100

Allied guard

HQ command squad 50

Vet squad x3 flamers + chimera 135
Vet squadx3 plasma + chimera 165

Scout Sentienel with missle launcher 45
Did the tally!
8 meltas
4 flamers
8 lascannons
1missle launcher
and 5 plasmas!

Why not take a 5th special weapon in the chosen?

Where does abbadon go?

What's your plan against flyers?

What do the guard allies bring that more chosen couldn't?

1.because its overkill and more points

2. the land raider with a squad of chosen?

3. the aegis defense line with quad gun and all the lascannons and other gun can get a couple six's

4.chimeras with av 12 in stead of more rhinos plus i already have 2 chimeras and i like the strength 6 guns and heavy bolters plus vet aquads bring more bodies then more chosen

1. With meltas arguably yes (but 5 meltas really makes sure and for 10 points to me it is worth it, it also duel purposes them to deal with 2W 2+ save models and at a pinch even normal Terminators), with plasmas 5 kills a squad.

2. With plasma chosen so he can't assault?

3. So you don't have a plan to combat flyer lists.

4. So nothing really other than you like the models? Chimeras are also side armour 10 which makes them very vulnerable. Also 10 guardsmen are significantly less survivable than 5 marines. Guard would be great allies to bring some AA to the list and all you've brought is weaker versions of the chosen squads you're already running. Also why the unupgraded command squad and then 2 Vet squads you could just chuck 4 plasmas into the command squad and save yourself 70 points.

If your list is just a for fun list as a collection of models you like (or already own) then go for it. If you want to make it efficient as an all comers list it needs a lot of work.

Call me old fashioned but i like my CSM squads 10+, the 5man squads are for loyalist who don't care about running in fear. Those 5 man squads will take one guy a turn and eventually run like the wind back to their table edge. Rhinos won't help they'll only give your opponent first blood and make it even harder for this list to work

Try this one out:

265 - Abby

100 - Aegis + Quad gun

165 - (5) Choesen - 5 plasma guns

165 - (5) Choesen - 5 plasma guns

165 - (5) Choesen - 5 plasma guns

165 - (5) Choesen - 5 plasma guns

160 - (5) MoN Bikes - 2 melta guns

160 - (5) MoN Bikes - 2 melta guns

160 - (5) MoN Bikes - 2 melta guns

115 - (5) Havocs - 4 Autocannons

115 - (5) Havocs - 4 Autocannons

115 - (5) Havocs - 4 Autocannons

Total: 1850

20 plasma guns
12 auto cannons
1 quad gun
6 melta guns

Place chosen forward with aegis and abby on quad gun dishing out preferred enemy, any trouble hits the five man squads hard you simply go to ground for a 2++. Classic MSU with max efficiency on load outs. bikes seek out AV 14 and achieve line breaker and contest while havocs lay on the hurt from 48" preferably in ruins.

I think that list still really struggles against flyers but has far more overall threat level. All those plasmas really put the hurt on meqs and teqs. You do have a horde control problem though.

 FlingitNow wrote:
I think that list still really struggles against flyers but has far more overall threat level. All those plasmas really put the hurt on meqs and teqs. You do have a horde control problem though.

Well, lets be honest here, this has 51 bodies, 15 of which are T6 and has 48 strength 7 shots, with preferred enemy SM thanks to abby. I would argue there aren't many builds that put out as much or more AA then this one. Flakk missiles suck, and oblits are more expensive then havocs and have to switch off AC every other turn. As far as horde I also disagree, Abby alone can stop a horde of orks or guardsmen in their tracks and again, see T6 bikes. If they have intense mech the bikes melta them away, if they have horde they simply weigh the horde down.

Again, chaos does not have the answers to flier spam. The heldrake is god awful at it if that is your best answer.

This list combats fliers with the best option out there: MSU.

The problem with the autocannon spam is you don't have body bags to answer the flyer alphastrike. T6 doesn't help against did hordes as they all have poison.

But i do take your point. Its about as good as it gets with this code without having to revert to helldrakes and flakk which are both over costed.

 FlingitNow wrote:
The problem with the autocannon spam is you don't have body bags to answer the flyer alphastrike. T6 doesn't help against did hordes as they all have poison.

But i do take your point. Its about as good as it gets with this code without having to revert to helldrakes and flakk which are both over costed.

exactly I would say forgeworld is the next best option for AA but I believe this is as good as Abby and friends gets while being a purest. Is it the best build in the codex? No way. But as I said, with sticking with abby and his preferred enemy bubble I think this is fairly optimal though YMMV.

so opposed to the mech list i posted all ive got out of the comments is play a list with all ifantry and no vehicles? LOL

so opposed to the mech list i posted all ive got out of the comments is play a list with all ifantry and no vehicles? LOL

This isn't 5th Ed. Rhinos in 6th do not significantly increase your survivability or even manouvreability and do cause you issues with first blood. I know it feels wierd but this codex is probably better off avoiding mech particularly if Necrons are around and they look like staying and the army at least until next year.

If going with guard allies, I say bring vendettas instead of your tri-las predators. Harder to kill for those without fliers, great against enemy fliers, transports for the guard if their chimeras die, and cheaper than the predators to boot. Squadron 2 of them if you like or just replace 1 predator with 1 vendetta.

Why single out the dakka jet when the nightscythe gets more hits on average (5.33 vs 4.5) and at a higher strength plus the potential to arc to other targets. Not to mention it is a basic troop choice.