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This is my latest attempt at a tournament-worthy list:

HEADQUARTERS:

Marshal, TDA, TH/SS, adamantine mantle, bionics 190pts
Terminator Command squad (x5), TH/SS (x1), 2x assault cannon, tank hunters 303pts
Emperor's Champion, AACNMTO 140pts

ELITES:

Sword Brethren Terminators (x5), 2x CMLs, tank hunters 265pts
Aegis Defence Line, quad gun 100pts
Sword Brethren Assault Terminators (x6), 3x LCs, 3x TH/SS, furious charge 258pts

TROOPS:

Initiates (x5), neophyte (x1), bolters, LC, PG 111pts
Initiates (x5), neophyte (x1), bolters, LC, PG 111pts
Initiates (x5), neophyte (x1), bolters, LC, PG 111pts
Initiates (x10), CCW/BP, PF, MG, frags 195pts

HEAVY SUPPORT:

Mortis-pattern Contemptor Dreadnought (allowed where I am), dual Kheres assault cannons, CML 215pts

TOTAL: 1999pts



I've won against my buddy's tournament-winning Necron Air-force/wraiths-spam list with a list almost the same as this (he placed 3rd at beakycon this year).

I'll usually roll on the strategic commander traits and hope to get the one that reduces enemy reserve rolls by 1.

I push forward with the Marshal and his dual AC termies, the assault termies and CCW initiates blob. They can handle other elites and blobs relatively well as long as I can get the charge (careful pre-measuring and some decent Righteous Zeal rolls will help there).
Meanwhile the CML termies will man the quad gun and will handle flier-popping duties along with the Contemptor dread; if no flyers are present they can help the small LC initiate squads to pop vehicles.

This is a relatively slow, foot-slogging list, but I feel like it can handle just about anything you throw at it.
This list has never been in a tournament but my buddy plays IG, Nids, CSMs and Necrons so I intend on practicing and getting a good feel with it.

Any constructive feeback appreciated, thanks.

P.S. Take a sec to look at my Marshal pics gallery! Tks :b

No love?


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Come on!

Anyone?

If it works, then it works. Play another game against the same opponent and army list - if you win again, you're doing something right and it wasn't just the roll of the dice.

Sorry I can't give you any more advice, I don't play Black Templars. One question though - why a Lascannon and not another plasma gun?

Look pretty solid. Its well rounded ready for anything.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
If it works, then it works. Play another game against the same opponent and army list - if you win again, you're doing something right and it wasn't just the roll of the dice.

Sorry I can't give you any more advice, I don't play Black Templars. One question though - why a Lascannon and not another plasma gun?

BTs can only take a special CC weapon and a meltagun/flamer/plasmagun
or a heavy weapon and a meltagun/flamer/plasmagun

I do not think that the sword breth. termies should be behind the defense line. The cover save does not matter very much when you have a 5+ Invuln. The quad by itself is not worth a hundred points, even if it is a source of skyfire. Plop an initiate squad inside it, they will benefit more and allow terminators to do what terminators do best: assault. Shave the LC off the squad of initiates in the defense line and put a lascannon instead.

I would say the CML would be fine behind the ADL. But Imotek has a point. Terminators can hold there own weight. They can stay back there, and if an assault coms around, they can help out, otherwise i would deep strike them in somewhere that it is needed.

Pretty cool hammer and anvil style list. Now in 6th I think the las/plas spam of 4th edition is finally making a comeback.

Just a thought though, you have 2 very assault terminator units but no real delivery system outside of deepstrike which is a great way to get shot up for a turn. It might be in your interest to have a pair of LRCs (very fluffy anyway) to ram down your opponent line. Just my $.02.

@buddha: That is true, but that would basically take away a terminator squad to replace it with a LRC. Then everything would focus on that and kill it. Running templars isnt that bad of an option.... move 6", run D6, get shot at... oh no, lose a guy... move another d6 toward the nearest visable enemy.

So you have a very real possibility of moving up to 18" the first turn. then another 6" your next, and your 2d6 to assault. yes, you will lose some marines, but the terminators will take a lot of fire.

Good feedback! Thanks guys!

The CML termies are staying behind the ADL not because they need the cover save but because I can use their Tank Hunter USR when shooting down flyers, it's come in handy many times.

As mentioned above my Termies are not deep striking, (or in a LRC) they're on foot, where I can use them from round 1. The Termie command squad and assault termies push forward, it's a big threat if not handled right away so it tends to distracts the enemy; they'll tend to shoot at them while ignoring the EC's squad (which can do some damage too) and the back line which hopefully will take out some armor and fliers.

The lack of mobility can be an issue (I can imagine a mechanized DE army doing circles around me...).

Also, if I get charged I lose my Rage USR advantage which is a big deal... Righteous Zeal has helped me a few times but this aspect still tends to make-or-break this army: if I charge I tend to shred what's in front of me, if I get charged it turns into a fairly long assault where I lose a lot of efficiency...

Phoenix I like the list man!

I have a similar BT list that has not 1 but 2 Forge World dreads in it. I am running them with x2 TL Lascannons and the CML at 221pts each. I want the 48'' range on all guns to Intercept fliers. So far, it has been AMAZING!

Sometimes no advice is the best advice