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Made in gb
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/17/when-the-black-cat-was-sexually-harrassed-at-nycc/

from 5 days ago


At Comic Con today, I went as Black Cat. This is a gakky picture and there will be better ones of my whole costume coming up but I just want to say something.

Black Cat’s costume has a fair amount of cleavage (conservative compared to many other female comic characters but a good amount as far as what I’ve ever shown). I guess I was not surprised to have a couple men ask to pose with me and then do some doofy “WHOA LOOK AT THOSE KNOCKERS” poses. I just make a really ugly face when I see they’re doing it. One guy with the social graces of a lemur said to me “I was this close to wearing that same outfit. My breasts are large and supple and I think it would have been nice.” Nope. Stop talking.

But aside from guys being doofy and awkward (but clearly not foul-intentioned), I did have my first truly skeezy experience at Comic Con today.

And my first truly empowering moment as well.

This group of men from some kind of Stan Lee fan club blah blah internet video channel blah blah asked to interview with them on camera about Comic Con. I said well okay, sure. Camera is rolling. The “host” is a middle aged, rotund dude. It’s an all-male crew and lots of people (mostly guys) were beginning to crowd around. The following is the interview as burned in my mind. Keep in mind that I expected this to be about Comic Con in general.

Him: I’m here with…
Me: Mandy, aka Felicia Hardy aka Black Cat
Him: ..And she is HOT. Do you think I’m hot enough to pull that off?
Me: Uh, I’m not sure, I’ve never seen you in drag.
Him: I’ve got a great ass. Go on, spank me.
Me: (look at his large ass, popped up mere inches away from me then look into the camera like are you kidding me . No thanks. I may hurt you, I’m a lot stronger than I look.
Him: Aw come on!
Me: No, seriously. Stop.
Him: Damn, alright! Well let me ask you an important question then…what is your cup size?
Me: (big talk show smile) That is actually none of your fething business.
Him: Oh! I think that means to say she’s a C.
Me: I actually have no breasts at all, what you see is just all of the fat from my midsection pulled up to my chest and carefully held in place with this corset. It’s really uncomfortable, I don’t know why I do it.
Him: (to the male crowd) Aw, come on what do you guys think? C cup?
—a few males start to shout out cup sizes as I stand there looking at this guy like this has to be a fething joke, then look at the crowd and see that no amount of witty banter or fiestiness will stop making this whole thing fething dumb. It was clearly a ploy to single out cosplaying women to get them to talk sexual innuendos and flirt with this donkey-cave and let him talk down to them simply because they were in costume and were attractive. Whether I’m in a skintight catsuit or not, I’m a fething professional in everything I do and I don’t need to play nice for this idiot.
Me: This is not an interview, this is degrading. I’m done. (I walk away)
Him: (clearly dumbfounded and surprised) ..Come on, it’s all in good fun!
Me: Being degraded is fun? That was unprofessional and I hope that isn’t your day job because you can’t interview for gak, my man.
And the entire crew and the crowd were SILENT. NOTHING. SHOCK, HONEY. It felt like I was in a heated fog, full of rage and pride and I sashayed away feeling like the most badass melon-fether in the whole damn room, but kind of also on the verge of tears. A slow build of applause would have been appropriate, but from the looks on people’s faces, they were just completely not expecting me to do what I just did- which was really nothing more than speaking up for myself. It wasn’t something one should feel brave for doing but crazy for not doing when necessary.

It’s because many people at these cons expect women cosplaying as vixens (or even just wearing particularly flattering costumes) to be open/ welcoming to crude male commentary and lecherous ogling, like our presence comes with subtitles that say “I represent your fantasy thus you may treat me like a fantasy and not a human in a costume”. And maybe that will always be how the majority of people see us. But that does not mean we have to put up with gak that crosses the line, it does not mean we owe them a fantasy, it does not mean we dress up to have guys drooling over us and letting us know that we turn them on. It is not all about your dicks, gentlemen. So I encourage cosplaying women everywhere to be blunt and vocal with their rights, their personal boundaries, and their comfort level at conventions. I actually encourage girls to be brashly shameless about these things, to not be afraid to speak up if you feel uncomfortable and to let the person doing it know that they are crossing the line. Don’t keep quiet because you’re scared of what they might say or think- because if you say nothing they will continue to see what they’re doing as OK.

Mandy then wrote;

But seriously just want to clear up something: an experience being treated like that at Comic Con has never happened to me before, which is why I was compelled to post and discuss it here. The vast majority of men I’ve encountered show respect to me and other cosplaying women- they ask before posing with me, they often ask before taking a picture at all, they don’t make lewd or derogatory comments and they follow my (and most ladies’) basic rules on touching:Your hands can be on the places they’d be if I was your Mama- if you wouldn’t touch your Mama there, you won’t be touching me there. And it’s nice to know that 99% of men would not play grab-ass with their mamas!

If you’re one of the respectful guys, thank you for doing what you do and for making cons that much more enjoyable and fun for everyone- I truly appreciate it and you.

Now show me dat ass, Spidey.

Made in gb
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Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury

 Grey Templar wrote:

What I'm saying is, she had no right to go and complain to the media and make a big deal of it..


Why does she not have the right to do this then ?

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Canterbury

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

Really? Really? Way beyond the normal boundaries of social standards?



Seeing as she's been to conventions in similar costumes and never been harassed or degraded like this before, yes, this is beyond the normal boundries of the social standard that's relevant.



Remove her wig and mask, and change her costume slightly but she's still wearing a skin tight leather outfit. Insert her into your local bar, club, party whatever. Would ANYONE say forward and dumb questions wouldnt happen? OF course they would. But gak like this happens every weekend ad nauseaum at bars, and no one blinks an eye. You might say alcohol is to blame for poor behavior at bars, but every con ive been to has been a big party. Why is this news then?


And if we sent her back in time, she could be burnt as a witch, or if we dropped her into a Taliban stronghold I'm sure much worse than this would happen to her.

But seeing as none of that happened, nor is she in a bar, in a different outfit, that doesn't matter.

And it's telling the sole arguments that don't largely consist of yelling "whore " at her only consist entirely of rewriting entirely new and fictitious scenarios, which bear minimal to no relevance to the case in hand.




Im not talking about nerd persecution. But as I understand it, the Daily Mail is almost a tabloid correct? So its safe to assume that most its readers are probably not the most discerning type correct? So if thats the case, then a quick glance over this article will lead many to think "well cons ARE full of the weirdos I always heard they were" Or is that wrong?


.. think print version of Fox News.

And people need to get off this bs that anyone is "slut-shaming" her. Were simply asking how this rude and crass, but overall insignificant behavior is making national news. Some of you think she's out there standing up for womens rights. Others think shes blowing something out of proportion to garner hits on her website and the Daily Mail to sell copies. Only she knows the truth. Not you. Not I.

So please stop comparing anyone that isnt instantly supporting her to rapists and wife beaters.


seeing as she's been described over and over in this thread as " whore" or slut methinks you doth protest too much.

She didn't blow anything out of proportion. The Daily Mail article is nothing to do with her, her article was originally referenced on a website that deals mainly with comic books, and from there the magic of the web did it's wonderful work.

How is a women wearing what she wants and then writing what she wants not standing up for women's right s? We've got posters in this very thread saying she's now rite to do X/Y/Z, when she quite blatantly does.
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Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury

 mattyrm wrote:
. One hit me with a bottle and got uppercutted, one kneed me in the balls and got thrown down some stairs, and one threw a glass of wine on me, wore my pint of Guinness shortly afterwards and then threw about 4 punches at me and also got chinned.


.. rest of the night out was alright though yeah ?
 
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