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Executing Exarch





Alabama

So I am new to fantasy and am starting a bretonnian army
as I really have no clue what I am doing with them I thought i would throw out a little thousand point list to see what the community thinks. Not looking for super competitive but not looking to be a push over in combat.

So here it is:

1,000 Points Bretonnian Army
Lord 234
Shield, Knights Vow, Gauntlet of the Duel, Armour of Agilulf, Sword of the Swift, Virtue of Heroism, Warhorse

Damsel 140
Dispel Scroll, Warhorse, Level Two Wizard (lore of life)

Paladin 100
Standard Bearer, Virtue of Duty, War Horse

Core
Knights of the Realm x 8 216
Gallant, Musician, Standard Bearer

Knights of the Realm x 7 192
Gallant, Musician, Standard Bearer

Peasant Bowmen x 17 117
Braziers, Musician, Villein

total: 999

This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2012/10/26 17:45:51


 
   
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Snivelling Workbot





Orlando, Florida

First off you have way too many points in heroes for a 1000 pt list as you're only allowed 250 and your damsel is only allowed 1 arcane item also FoC isn't really needed on bowmen

Here's a revised list based on your general list here

Lords

Lord - 236 pts
Grail Vow (I recommend that any hero you place on a Pegasus have this)
Shield
The Wyrmlance
Virtue of Confidence
Royal Pegasus

Heros

Paladin -114 pts
BSB
Dragonhelm
Virtue of Duty

Damsel - 135 pts
Lvl 2 - (Lore of Life)
Chalice of Malfluer
Warhorse

Core

Knights of the Realm x 7 - 192 pts (this way you get the 9 you need for lance formation)
FoC

Peasant Bowmen x 18 - 118
Musician
Braziers

Peasant Bowmen x 17 - 112
Musician
Braziers

Rare
Field Trebuchet - 90 pts (good for softening up targets for your knights to smash)


   
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Deacon



Leeds, UK

Here is what I like to run at 1k

Prophetess – 250
Level 3, Lore of Life, Crown of Command, Prayer Icon of Quenelles

Paladin – 131
Battle Standard Bearer, Virtue of Empathy, Enchanted Shield, Ruby Goblet , Grail Vow

Paladin – 96
Barded Warhorse, Shield, Sword of Might, Dragonhelm

38 Men at Arms - 205
Musician, Standard Bearer

8 Knights of The Realm – 226
Banner of Chalons

Trebuchet – 90

998 Points


   
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Alabama

Mr. Nafi, ah thanks for letting me know bout the hero thing like i said kinda new to all this and was trying my hand out at making a list.

well since i have a bunch of kotr/ errants and bowmen thats is why i was using them Carpe. thanks for the list idea though.

will reflect changes to make this list legal
   
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Deacon



Leeds, UK

no bother i have 5k of brets so can run what i want

One thing, I would make one of the Bowmen units smaller and give them skirmish, braziers and musician so that you have a screen to stop your errants from running around the field being too eagre to fight the enemy (impetuous) if you don't run errants they're still useful for hiding in a wood and making any charging enemy lose steadfast

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/25 14:58:41


   
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Nimble Glade Rider



Pittsburgh, PA North Hills

Huge red flag though, a bsb may have no additional equipment(edit: magical items are allowed without magical standard), as per page 67, he may only take a virtue, or a barded horse / pegasus.

At this point value, to be competitive yet still have fun, Id take 9 KotR, with no magical banner, it's not worth it. 2+ armour save is good enough not to mention the minus to hit when you charge at someone. You may lose 1 knight not to big of a deal since with the heros and such you will have a few guys in 4th rank. A trebuchet, though one of the best war machines in the game, will not be too effective in a points list this small unless you are playing a goblin heavy army, or skaven. The units won't be big enough for you to do good amounts of damage without rolling a direct hit. They are still useful but you may want to take a few more archers instead since they are more reliable, or M@A, since you can get 20 Men with a musician for 85 pts. With the revised list you were given you have more than enough shooting to be a threat from ranged, but i dont think braziers are required, maybe only use 1 unit with braziers just in case. You wont be seeing a lot of high power units with nasty saves in this point range.

One last point, Virtue of Confidence is really nice, however, you should take a lance of artois in combination with it so that if you charge then challenge you can Killing blow your opponent, otherwise bret heros and lords dont really match up to well against other races. You face anything but a rat or elf you're toast, and most elves will roll him as well, so instantly killing them with a good die roll is a must. The other thing is when using the Artois, and confidence you should take the guantlet of the duel so that your challenge cannot be refused.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/25 16:51:56


10k+ High Elf
6.5k Dwarf
7k Original Chaos Dwarf (not the crappy forge world)
6k Bretonnia
7k Wood Elf
6k Dark Elf
8k Tomb Kings
5k Beastmen
5k Lizardmen
7k Daemons of Chaos (roughly 2.5k all but Tzeentch, I find them useless in 8th other than flamers and heralds)
5.5k Empire

 
   
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Alabama

well my main opponent is high elves so thanks for the tip. I was trying to use the models that i am getting in a trade and that is:
19 Kotr
3 grail knights
48 bowmen
damsel on foot and mounted
and three paladin characters one with lance and shield one with hand weapon and shield and one with a great weapon the peg character is something i am going to be buying so you guys think i should invest in to a treb to give me more long range support and smash bigger things and the like?
   
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Nimble Glade Rider



Pittsburgh, PA North Hills

Against High Elves one thing I really recommend is trying to go light on heros/lords because the elven heros are very very expensive in compairson to brets. Also their average troop cost is might higher, meaning their regiments likely will not exceed 20 at this point range. It may suit you best to play with as many knights, and peasants as possible and really utilize numbers as your advantage since you can stay steadfast. 30 Men at arms may be the same price as 10 Swordmasters, and sure they will slaughter about 15 in 1 round but so long as you kill 1 you will be testing on unmodified LD. But even with that said M@A would hit on 5 wound on 4 and they would only save on 6. So you could get a nice amount of damage in. Now thats a worst case scenario, since Swordmasters have 2 attacks each, and that also assumes you did 0 damage from peasant bowment to them, which would be a huge mistake as swordmasters are essentially the glass cannon of warhammer. Grail knights are cool and very useful but against High elves in this point range, you will limit your forces heavily since 1 grail is 7.6 men at arms. If you were facing woodelves or something where theres negatable wardsaves or daemons the grails would excel.

10k+ High Elf
6.5k Dwarf
7k Original Chaos Dwarf (not the crappy forge world)
6k Bretonnia
7k Wood Elf
6k Dark Elf
8k Tomb Kings
5k Beastmen
5k Lizardmen
7k Daemons of Chaos (roughly 2.5k all but Tzeentch, I find them useless in 8th other than flamers and heralds)
5.5k Empire

 
   
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Alabama

added and fixed the list some lemme know what you think
   
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Nimble Glade Rider



Pittsburgh, PA North Hills

You may be able to get away with out the vileans and braziers for the 2 groups of peasant bowmen. I don't see a Prince Tyrion taking the field at this point range lawl. The wyrmlance is good should you fail a charge but fairly hard to use other than that, still gives a good option. The revised list you have should produce some good results, my only concern is if you face a good amount of White Lions (4+ save vs arrows, and s6 strikes first rerolls misses)

Still you probably won't get many favorable challenges without a killing blow or such up your sleeve as a paladin, even though hes on a pegasus and can get into combat and such hes likely going to be going up against a unit prefferably from flank or rear, hes still going to be by himself so most people will refuse and just flog him with regular attacks since hes only toughness 4.

10k+ High Elf
6.5k Dwarf
7k Original Chaos Dwarf (not the crappy forge world)
6k Bretonnia
7k Wood Elf
6k Dark Elf
8k Tomb Kings
5k Beastmen
5k Lizardmen
7k Daemons of Chaos (roughly 2.5k all but Tzeentch, I find them useless in 8th other than flamers and heralds)
5.5k Empire

 
   
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Alabama

what would you reccommend for my paladin then are should i just sped the extra points and take a lord?
   
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Nimble Glade Rider



Pittsburgh, PA North Hills

Well for 234 points you can get a Knights vow lord, with the ability to face stomp characters/monsters.

Lord - Shield, Knights Vow, Guantlet of the Duel, Armour of Agilulf, Sword of the Swift, Virtue of Heroism, Warhorse.

ASF, WS 10, HKB, 2+Sv, Challenges cannot be refused.

Other wise for a paladin, if he is with a larger unit spend the 50 points he allowed on mane of the pure breed if using a 12-15 KotR lance formation (its funny with horses outkill knights or when you can say "lol bro you totally just lost combat from my horses alone"), and Lance of Artois to give the killing blow, which with a lance sure isnt really needed when you charge but against other knights its still pretty nice. Or you can go with a Gromril or cuirass of Fortune.

10k+ High Elf
6.5k Dwarf
7k Original Chaos Dwarf (not the crappy forge world)
6k Bretonnia
7k Wood Elf
6k Dark Elf
8k Tomb Kings
5k Beastmen
5k Lizardmen
7k Daemons of Chaos (roughly 2.5k all but Tzeentch, I find them useless in 8th other than flamers and heralds)
5.5k Empire

 
   
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Alabama

hmmm and this would make me a tad more effective would i have to finagle around some points to make this work but that sounds actually really cool. Oh i did have a question is my damsel ok? i was going to give her lore of life for healing shennanigans
   
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Nimble Glade Rider



Pittsburgh, PA North Hills

I like the Chalice but since shes a damsel and only has 2 wounds I wouldnt risk it, and just got for a dispell scroll.

10k+ High Elf
6.5k Dwarf
7k Original Chaos Dwarf (not the crappy forge world)
6k Bretonnia
7k Wood Elf
6k Dark Elf
8k Tomb Kings
5k Beastmen
5k Lizardmen
7k Daemons of Chaos (roughly 2.5k all but Tzeentch, I find them useless in 8th other than flamers and heralds)
5.5k Empire

 
   
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Alabama

updated the list to make it more killable
   
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Nimble Glade Rider



Pittsburgh, PA North Hills

For 1k points thats going to lay down a lot of hurt, excellent looking list now. Add 1 bowman for 999 pts total. Some may argue trebuchet but at 1k points you won't cause enough dmg or have a tastey looking target, especially since you have a lord that can 1 shot anything big, or if lucky 1 shot kill 4 big guys, unlikely but possible.

10k+ High Elf
6.5k Dwarf
7k Original Chaos Dwarf (not the crappy forge world)
6k Bretonnia
7k Wood Elf
6k Dark Elf
8k Tomb Kings
5k Beastmen
5k Lizardmen
7k Daemons of Chaos (roughly 2.5k all but Tzeentch, I find them useless in 8th other than flamers and heralds)
5.5k Empire

 
   
 
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