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Hi Guys.

Real quick question here. I know in friendly games there is no right or wrong answer to my questions but I would love to hear every ones thoughts on this matter.

Should armies at 1999 points or lower be able to double foc? and
Should an opponent be able to bring 2001 or more points to a 2000 point limit game?

In our gaming group we don't ever go to tournaments and we do just play for fun but at the same time we all are quite competitive and all run pretty decent army lists.
We are very much for following the rules from the rulebook as closely as possible as we believe it is how the game is meant to be played.

That being said why should these 2 rules be any different to any other rule in the book? We strictly follow the rule book so really we should have to be 2000+ for double foc and 2000 or under as most games we play are at a 2000 limit.
I think double foc does give you an advantage over not having it so really in order to get it you should have to make your amy list bang on 2000 points to be legal, correct?

But then as a hypothetical if you were to say its ok at what point does a double foc not become ok? 1998 points? 1997? 1996? and same for a 2000 point limit, how many points could someone go over? 2002? etc.
To me it sounds like changing the rules, as an eg "My army is only 4 points over the limit but my cheapest thing to drop is 10 points.." To me its like saying my meltagun is 4 inches short of your tank, but thats close enough.. or I need a 6 to penetrate your armour but a 5 will be good enough..

Please give as much feedback as possible as I would love to know how you all interperate these rules in your social groups.

Please keep in mind i dont really care too much, im not being a rules nazi but at the same time we do like following the book as close as possible.

rules wise for a double FOC you need 2k+

that said though if you were playing friendly as you are and abiding by the rules best you can without naziing it up.
I could see having a 2k cap with +-15pts

The rule isn't that your army needs to be 2000 points or over to be able to use 2 FOC, it's that the game has to be. If your army is 1998 points in a 2000 point game, you can use the 2 FOC. If your army is 2001 points in a 2000 points it is technically illegal, but I imagine you could let that slide in friendly games. 2000 Points in a 1999 point game would only give you 1 FOC though.

For the first point, it's down to your game's points limit. If you are playing a 2000 point game, then you get the double FOC option, it doesn't matter if you only pick 1999 points, or even 1500 points (though why you would is anyone's guess) the game limit is what counts.

As for the second part of your question, going over the agreed limit is very bad form, you should be able to re-organise your army to be equal or under the agreed total else why even bother in the first plate? Now, in a friendly group one point here or there won't swing the game so can be forgiven easily enough, but it won't fly at a tourney.

Intentionally taking too big army to a game is a big no-no.
If 2000 is the limit, then it's max 2000, not approximately 2k:ish.

Just below point limit is normal, as most armies smallest (useful) additions are worth at least 5 points & too much optimizing for exact points can make your army weaker overall.

Are you asking whether or not players are breaking the rules if, in a 2000 pts game bring a list at 1999 pts and use double FOC? Just want to be clear.....

In my area people playing at 2k assume double FOC otherwise we say 1999+1 or something.

As far as going over points, sure, I've done it in friendly games. But I always ask my opponent. Full disclosure. Either way, it's a bad habit to get into and I haven't done so in quite a while.

Boneblade wrote:As far as going over points, sure, I've done it in friendly games. But I always ask my opponent. Full disclosure.

St which point you're not over the agreed points limit because you've agreed points limit. That being said, you can not be even a single point over the agreed limit, but you and your opponent can agree to a new points limit anytime before the game begins (and sometimes after).