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We had a player using a primary army of Orks and an allied detachment of Imperial Guard using Alraheim(SP?). He used this ally to deploy using a single reserve roll and outflanked the entire detachment. Is this legal? I have little familiarity with IG and building their lists has always confused me. Thanks in advance.

He can outflank the single Infantry platoon but I don't think that includes any HQs...

 NecronLord3 wrote:
We had a player using a primary army of Orks and an allied detachment of Imperial Guard using Alraheim(SP?). He used this ally to deploy using a single reserve roll and outflanked the entire detachment. Is this legal? I have little familiarity with IG and building their lists has always confused me. Thanks in advance.

Quite possibly, there was a little argument about if an attached character can. However it looks as if you can.

Al'rahem forces his entire platoon to outflank. IIRC Edited out the wrong, unimportant part

50 man blob 20-40 conscripts, 5 man PCS. So yes.

But only things from that platoon.

I don't think he should have been able to take the whole detachment... you have to have an hq with detatchmets and unless he used a commisar or something as his hq and attached it to the unit i don't think he could have outflanked the whole thing. We cant exactly tell you what he could have outflanked unless you tell us what units he used

 Somedude593 wrote:
I don't think he should have been able to take the whole detachment... you have to have an hq with detatchmets and unless he used a commisar or something as his hq and attached it to the unit i don't think he could have outflanked the whole thing. We cant exactly tell you what he could have outflanked unless you tell us what units he used

If he took an IC
and a Platoon

He can outflank the whole thing

Yep, and due to the platoon rule, the entire platoon arrives (or fails) on a single die roll. Even if he's running it as 10 or more (max is 20 IIRC - includes transports) separate units.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 Somedude593 wrote:
I don't think he should have been able to take the whole detachment... you have to have an hq with detatchmets and unless he used a commisar or something as his hq and attached it to the unit i don't think he could have outflanked the whole thing. We cant exactly tell you what he could have outflanked unless you tell us what units he used

If he took an IC
and a Platoon

He can outflank the whole thing

Thats what i said

Sorry your first sentence didn't make sense with the rest of your post.

As it's very easy to outflank an IG detachment

 Somedude593 wrote:
I don't think he should have been able to take the whole detachment... you have to have an hq with detatchmets and unless he used a commisar or something as his hq and attached it to the unit i don't think he could have outflanked the whole thing. We cant exactly tell you what he could have outflanked unless you tell us what units he used

I am trying to get ahold of the entire list.

I recall it being a platoon that included Alraheim(SP?) and around 70 models which had heavy weapons teams attached. I believe he referred to it as a platoon.

Heavy Weapons teams are part of the platoon and therefore are okay to outflank, in fact they have to.

Al Rahem is a Platoon Commander special charector, who makes his entire platoon outflank.

A platoon is:

Platoon Command Squad (includes the commander himself and 4 infantrymen)

2-5 infantry squads, with attached commissars, a special weapon and one heavy weapon team

20-40 conscripts, all in one blob, no special/heavy weapons

0-3 Heavy Weapons Teams (or could be 0-5)

0-3 Special Weapon Squads (could also be 0-5)

Any outflanking ICs, including the Lord Commissar, Primaris Pysker and any Priests, can outflank with them.

Hope that's cleared things up.

And that can all arrive from one flank with a single reserve roll? And fit as an allied detachment for Orks?

 NecronLord3 wrote:
And that can all arrive from one flank with a single reserve roll? And fit as an allied detachment for Orks?

Yes, I think the Rolling part can be found in the FAQ

It has nothing to do with being a detachment or not.
It's just IG

Well it matters in the number of FOC slots it takes up.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Well it matters in the number of FOC slots it takes up.

A platoon can have 13 units in 1 Troop selection IIRC with Al they have to outflank.

Toss in a Joined IC that's a ton of scoring running around

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Well it matters in the number of FOC slots it takes up.

A platoon is a single troops choice no matter how big you build it.
Go IG!

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Well it matters in the number of FOC slots it takes up.

As testify said, A Platoon is a single Troop Slot on the FOC, and does have 1 Platoon Command Squad, 2-5 Infantry Squads, 0-5 Heavy Weapons Squads, 0-2 Special Weapons Sqauds, and a Conscript Squad. So with Al'rahreim he could outflank 13 Infantry Units, and 6 Chimeras.

 Testify wrote:


Heavy Weapons teams are part of the platoon and therefore are okay to outflank, in fact they have to.

0-3 Heavy Weapons Teams (or could be 0-5)

20-40 conscripts, all in one blob, no special/heavy weapons

Couple of quick corrections.
Conscripts 20-50

0-3 Heavy Weapons SQUADS, with each squad consisting of 3 Heavy Weapon teams. Important since HW teams can belong to units outside of the platoon (Vet squads can have them, as can HQ Command squads).