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Hello. I am wondering if the phoenix bomber for the eldars and the eldar corsairs is anygood? 225 points is very expensive.

I am also a bit uncertain on the role it has? Is it an all around fighter? Shuriken cannon and phoenix missil launcher vs infantery and shuriken cannon and bright/pulse laser vs transports? also, it can only shoot 4 of it's five weapons, it seems a bitt odd.

After digging out my IA 11 ... no its too confused as to its roll.

what you really want is the cheaper Night wing intercept ... it has a pair of bright lances (& a pair of shuriken cannons). Only 145pts and it takes up a fast slot (rather then a heavy). It fills roll of anti air and can help with anti tank.

The nightfighter is indeed the better step brother. However, the phoenix bomber has strafing runn, and it can pump out an ungodly amount of shots at BS 5 with those rockets. It will destroy one unit each turn.

It might actualy be really good, provided you can clear away other sky-fire units.

 Niiai wrote:
The nightfighter is indeed the better step brother. However, the phoenix bomber has strafing runn, and it can pump out an ungodly amount of shots at BS 5 with those rockets. It will destroy one unit each turn.

It might actualy be really good, provided you can clear away other sky-fire units.

Want anti infantry? Why are you not using any wasps? Ok you'll need some scoring troop as well but these guys are cheap, with good BS and lots of dakka.
Or you pick the firestorm which also has lots of dakka anti air and TL-BS4 (88.8%) which is better then BS5 (83.3%) and is on the board turn one

I am planing of adding them to a an existing dark eldar army. Trying to survive first turn, and come on board second turn with a lott of bad mojo.

Also, the firestorm is very expensive. The Phoenix bomber can put down an enormus amount of punishment.

I cannot decide if the phoenix missiles are good (hello space marines) or the nightfire blast AP5 ignores cover. It supose it depends on the rest of the list. Dark Eldars usualy only have problems with IG.

 Niiai wrote:
I am planing of adding them to a an existing dark eldar army. Trying to survive first turn, and come on board second turn with a lott of bad mojo.

Also, the firestorm is very expensive. The Phoenix bomber can put down an enormus amount of punishment.

I cannot decide if the phoenix missiles are good (hello space marines) or the nightfire blast AP5 ignores cover. It supose it depends on the rest of the list. Dark Eldars usualy only have problems with IG.

If dark eldar are struggling to kill GEQ your doing it wrong. AP3 all the way, though i still think there are better ways.

Exuse me? Guardmen are the dark eldars worst enemy. They have cheap autocannons, and poison against them is just as eficient as theyr lasguns are against dark eldar. Only we pay a premium for it.

When it comes to vehicles ouer toys breaks easier then their toys.

I don' think there is an army that can out shoot guard. However anything other the 30-50 strong blobs can be melee to death by a single unit.

I run a Phoenix (occasionally paired with a Nightwing) in my Craftworld Eldar army. I have it outfitted with the twin-linked Starcannon for anti-troop work. While the 6th change to fliers does obviate one of its weapons, I have found the Phoenix to be, while expensive, absolutely brutal in mowing down infantry (the Nightwing I use for anti-vehicle and anti-flyer support). I have plenty of additional anti-tank already.

Even Marines will not enjoy an encounter with the bomber's Phoenix missile bays and starcannon, while the shuriken cannons can be used for rear hits on enemy vehicles or light troops. And if you're going to face a cover-hugging horde army, than the Nightfire missile upgrade is going to reduce even the largest blobs to scattered remains in short order. 6 3" blasts with Ignores Cover and Pinning? Yes'm.

Added to its Vector Dancer and Shrouded (for a lovely 3+ Jink save) means even when (not if, when) the enemy throws everything they have at it, it more often than not comes through unscathed.

In the end, however, it all comes down to personal taste... expensive - yes. Low AV - yes. Very specific mission role - yes.

But I still loves me my Phoenix.