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Had my first proper game of 6th today. A couple of issues popped up regarding transports that I thought I'd run past you guys. My brother, friend and myself were playing small 500pt games just to get ourselves familiar with the rules. When 2 played the other would go through the rulebook and try to work out any queries etc.. The following happened whilst I was charged with being the 'guy in the know' and promptly 'didn't know'

Sorry in advance if this is long winded but wanted to be clear in my explanation. Please point out any mistakes we have made along the way. It's the only way us numptys will learn.

My brother's Chaos Rhino was shot at by a War Walker and was hit 3 times. It suffered 2 Glancing hits and a Penetrating hit. With no save available we deduced that the Rhino was destroyed due to loss of all Hull Points and my friend should roll on the damage table to see if he exploded the Rhino. He rolled Stunned.

The Plague Marines then disembarked up to 3" and didn't take the required pinning test as they were Fearless.

The following turn my brother finished his movement and declared in his shooting phase that he wanted his Plague Marines to fire at some nearby Warp Spiders. My friend thought that as the Rhino had suffered a Stunned result (which prevents passengers from firing) that they were unable to do so. We couldn't find specific clarification on wether or not that was the case so my brother accepted this. If they had disembarked voluntarily they would of been able to fire? Does the Stunned result still apply even if they are technically no longer passengers?

At the start of the assault phase my brother then decided he would instead declare a charge against said Warp Spiders. We had a look through just to check this was viable but couldn't find anything to cover this. The only reference we could find was under the disembarking section that says any unit disembarking from a transport cannot declare charges in their subsequent assault phase. I thought this odd as he hadn't disembarked voluntarily in his turn. He had been forced to disembark by virtue of the transport being wrecked. So if the transport is destroyed in your opponents turn it prevents you from charging in your turn?

If these points have been played out correctly this seems a bit of a real kick in the teeth for transports that are not either assault vehicles or open topped.

Can you guys point us in the right direction?

Ta

Boar

 wildboar wrote:
My brother's Chaos Rhino was shot at by a War Walker and was hit 3 times. It suffered 2 Glancing hits and a Penetrating hit. With no save available we deduced that the Rhino was destroyed due to loss of all Hull Points and my friend should roll on the damage table to see if he exploded the Rhino. He rolled Stunned.

I may be argued against, however, like wounds, you would decide the order to inflict the damages. If you did the Glancing hits first, then it would lose 2 HP for glancing, lose the third hull point for penetrating and be immediately Wrecked. If you do the Penetrating hit first, then it would be Lose HP, roll for additional damage, lose 2 HP and be wrecked.

The Plague Marines then disembarked up to 3" and didn't take the required pinning test as they were Fearless.

This is correct.

The following turn my brother finished his movement and declared in his shooting phase that he wanted his Plague Marines to fire at some nearby Warp Spiders. My friend thought that as the Rhino had suffered a Stunned result (which prevents passengers from firing) that they were unable to do so. We couldn't find specific clarification on wether or not that was the case so my brother accepted this. If they had disembarked voluntarily they would of been able to fire? Does the Stunned result still apply even if they are technically no longer passengers?

Per the BRB FAQ they are still subject to being Stunned.

At the start of the assault phase my brother then decided he would instead declare a charge against said Warp Spiders. We had a look through just to check this was viable but couldn't find anything to cover this. The only reference we could find was under the disembarking section that says any unit disembarking from a transport cannot declare charges in their subsequent assault phase. I thought this odd as he hadn't disembarked voluntarily in his turn. He had been forced to disembark by virtue of the transport being wrecked. So if the transport is destroyed in your opponents turn it prevents you from charging in your turn?

Unless the vehicle has the Assault Vehicle special rule, they cannot assault in their next Assault phase.

Many thanks for the quick response, the assault question is also covered in the BRB faq now I've had a thoroughly good look at it! Didn't catch it earlier but was only glancing through.

Yeah seems a pretty big hit that transports took, I play DE mainly so doesnt affect me so much, will get a few more games under our belts and see how we change to the change!

Happyjew wrote:

 wildboar wrote:
My brother's Chaos Rhino was shot at by a War Walker and was hit 3 times. It suffered 2 Glancing hits and a Penetrating hit. With no save available we deduced that the Rhino was destroyed due to loss of all Hull Points and my friend should roll on the damage table to see if he exploded the Rhino. He rolled Stunned.

I may be argued against, however, like wounds, you would decide the order to inflict the damages. If you did the Glancing hits first, then it would lose 2 HP for glancing, lose the third hull point for penetrating and be immediately Wrecked. If you do the Penetrating hit first, then it would be Lose HP, roll for additional damage, lose 2 HP and be wrecked.

Happyjew wrote:

 wildboar wrote:
My brother's Chaos Rhino was shot at by a War Walker and was hit 3 times. It suffered 2 Glancing hits and a Penetrating hit. With no save available we deduced that the Rhino was destroyed due to loss of all Hull Points and my friend should roll on the damage table to see if he exploded the Rhino. He rolled Stunned.

I may be argued against, however, like wounds, you would decide the order to inflict the damages. If you did the Glancing hits first, then it would lose 2 HP for glancing, lose the third hull point for penetrating and be immediately Wrecked. If you do the Penetrating hit first, then it would be Lose HP, roll for additional damage, lose 2 HP and be wrecked.

I disagree with this one. Pg 74 the bold text under penetrating hits.
By that remove the hull points and then resolve the pen rolls.

 wildboar wrote:

At the start of the assault phase my brother then decided he would instead declare a charge against said Warp Spiders. We had a look through just to check this was viable but couldn't find anything to cover this. The only reference we could find was under the disembarking section that says any unit disembarking from a transport cannot declare charges in their subsequent assault phase. I thought this odd as he hadn't disembarked voluntarily in his turn. He had been forced to disembark by virtue of the transport being wrecked. So if the transport is destroyed in your opponents turn it prevents you from charging in your turn?

As this is the only part that hasnt been answered yet, I guess I should toss in here. I'll tell you now that this question has cropped up in a number of threads and I dont belive it has ever been truly resolved. It seems like the "No" to charging has a better basis RAW but there is some RAI interpretation that you "Can". I am of the mind that you cannot.

IMHO
If I blow up your transport, you shouldnt benefit by being able to charge a unit that you couldnt charge with if I hadn't.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:

 wildboar wrote:

At the start of the assault phase my brother then decided he would instead declare a charge against said Warp Spiders. We had a look through just to check this was viable but couldn't find anything to cover this. The only reference we could find was under the disembarking section that says any unit disembarking from a transport cannot declare charges in their subsequent assault phase. I thought this odd as he hadn't disembarked voluntarily in his turn. He had been forced to disembark by virtue of the transport being wrecked. So if the transport is destroyed in your opponents turn it prevents you from charging in your turn?

As this is the only part that hasnt been answered yet, I guess I should toss in here. I'll tell you now that this question has cropped up in a number of threads and I dont belive it has ever been truly resolved. It seems like the "No" to charging has a better basis RAW but there is some RAI interpretation that you "Can". I am of the mind that you cannot.

IMHO
If I blow up your transport, you shouldnt benefit by being able to charge a unit that you couldnt charge with if I hadn't.

It's actually in the FAQ so not just your opinion ^^