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Do you have to reach 2000 points exactly in order to take a 2nd Force Organization chart?

 sounddemon wrote:
Do you have to reach 2000 points exactly in order to take a 2nd Force Organization chart?

You can be over

You can do anything on which you and your opponent agree, however the rule is that you must have at least a 2000 point limit to take a second FOC.

Where is the rule that states you must be 2000 points in order to take a second FOC?

The brb.

If your max point limit is 2k, you can take 2FoCs.

You don't have to hit exactly 2000 to unlock the second FoC. Its the point limit that allows the double FoC.

 sounddemon wrote:
Where is the rule that states you must be 2000 points in order to take a second FOC?

Page 110: Bigger Games: 'Above a total of 1999 points, the Force Organisation Chart becomes a very limiting factor.

This being the case, if you're playing a game of 2,000 points or more, you can take an additional primary detachment.'

You don't have to spend all 2000 points on your two detachments to utilize both, you just have to have a point level above 1999. Like if you were playing a 2000 point match, and you could only fit in 1998 points, you would still be allowed two FOCs.

So if that's the case. I would be able to take one more heavy support and end up at 1994 points. Would that still be abiding by the rules?

The points limit is the limit, not a requirement.

You agree to play a 2000 point game. This unlocks the second FOC. How big your final army is is completely irrelevant.

Thanks that was my original train of thought. Thanks for the clarification.

HOwever to take that extra heavy support you must have 2 HQ an 4 troops already

I thought the minimum requirement was 1 HQ and 1 Troop for each Ally Detachment, not 2 Troops per detachment?

 Ghenghis Jon wrote:
I thought the minimum requirement was 1 HQ and 1 Troop for each Ally Detachment, not 2 Troops per detachment?

2000 pts for a double FOC

if a single FOC is
1HQ
2 TROOP

A double FOC min is
1HQ
2 TROOP
1HQ
2 TROOP

Allies would still be 0-2 min needed for each
1HQ
1 Troop
1HQ
1Troop

 Ghenghis Jon wrote:
I thought the minimum requirement was 1 HQ and 1 Troop for each Ally Detachment, not 2 Troops per detachment?

We are talking about the regular requirement of 1 HQ and 2 Troops. Which doubles if you want to use 2 FoCs.

 Ghenghis Jon wrote:
I thought the minimum requirement was 1 HQ and 1 Troop for each Ally Detachment, not 2 Troops per detachment?

Ally /= Detachment

If you want to take another primary detachment at 2000, you must fulfill 2FOC minimum requirements.

The key wording is "a game of 2,000 points or more", it doesn't state your army's actual or final points value.
It's illogical to force players to spend all the points, how are you supposed to put an army together if you're unsure until the last unit whether you'll be able to take a second FOC?

As for minimum requirements - the rule allows you to take a second primary detachment. So it's the basic requirement of 1 HQ 2 Troops, just repeated.

This is why some tournaments are set to 1999+1 points.
It's not more than 1999 points, but you get to use an extra point

 Skinnereal wrote:
This is why some tournaments are set to 1999+1 points.
It's not more than 1999 points, but you get to use an extra point

Whereas they could just as easily say "Single FOC only, 2000 pts".

So by taking the extra HQ and 2 troops, you unlock all the other force org options (double fast attack, heavy, etc)? Or is it one HQ/2 troops for every choice over the original amount? I am just getting the hang of this concept. My gaming group has been pretty relaxed about it (shame on us), but certain people are starting to take advantage with allies/flyers so now we are all getting educated so we can play a little more correctly. I'm glad I found this thread as this is the same thing currently effecting my 40K world...

strengthofthedragon2 wrote:
So by taking the extra HQ and 2 troops, you unlock all the other force org options (double fast attack, heavy, etc)? Or is it one HQ/2 troops for every choice over the original amount? I am just getting the hang of this concept. My gaming group has been pretty relaxed about it (shame on us), but certain people are starting to take advantage with allies/flyers so now we are all getting educated so we can play a little more correctly. I'm glad I found this thread as this is the same thing currently effecting my 40K world...

1HQ
2Troops for Primary DetA

1HQ
2Troops for Primary DetB

If you have these you essentially get
6 elite
6 fast
6 Heavy
0-2 Allies

If you agree to play a game that is 2000 or more (Up to 3999) points you can have 2 force org charts (2 Detachments).

That means you could have a minimum of 1 HQ 2 Troops and the rest of a single force org chart (A Detachment).

Or you could have a minimum of 1 HQ 2 Troops and the rest of that force org chart(A Detachment), and another 1 HQ 2 Troops and the rest of a different single force org chart(A different Detachment).

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

strengthofthedragon2 wrote:
So by taking the extra HQ and 2 troops, you unlock all the other force org options (double fast attack, heavy, etc)? Or is it one HQ/2 troops for every choice over the original amount? I am just getting the hang of this concept. My gaming group has been pretty relaxed about it (shame on us), but certain people are starting to take advantage with allies/flyers so now we are all getting educated so we can play a little more correctly. I'm glad I found this thread as this is the same thing currently effecting my 40K world...

1HQ
2Troops for Primary DetA

1HQ
2Troops for Primary DetB

If you have these you essentially get
6 elite
6 fast
6 Heavy




Good to know! Looks like I need some more troops for my SW army I am starting!
0-2 Allies

Note that it is an *option*, it isn't forced on you. So really you only need worry about the extra HQ and Troops if you want to take, say, 4 Elites units.
If everything you pick can fit into the one FOC anyway, there's no point in forcing additional requirements on yourself.

Just remember to get any of the extra stuff you will need to take the additional requirements.

So you can't have 1 HQ and 2 Troops and run 2 Allied Detachments.

Yeah, this will undoubtedly water down some people's army... (to include my own lol) but if it is what the rules are....

 Super Ready wrote:
Note that it is an *option*, it isn't forced on you. So really you only need worry about the extra HQ and Troops if you want to take, say, 4 Elites units.
If everything you pick can fit into the one FOC anyway, there's no point in forcing additional requirements on yourself.

Who wouldn't want 6 Longfang squads, 54 flamers of Tz, 6 Flying Daemon Princes, 12 Necron flyers, etc

After seeing that I think I'll be happy playing 1999+1 now

Spinning off here, if you played a 4k-6k game, would you possibly be able to take a 3rd Detachment? Or should you just play Apoc rules then?

For every full multiple of 2000 points you can take an extra detachment.

2000 -3999 2 Detachments
4000 -5999 3 Detachments

Etc.

Ah, okay. So much help today

 DeathReaper wrote:
For every full multiple of 2000 points you can take an extra detachment.

2000 -3999 2 Detachments
4000 -5999 3 Detachments

Etc.

Really?