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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 03:26:18
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Sooooooooo...have poked around the forums and haven't found a discussion of this yet.
A Tzeentch Herald on a Chariot is a jetbike. Jetbikes can turbo-boost. "Jetbikes...can make a special Turbo-boost move, instead of firing in their Shooting phase.... Jetbikes therefore cannot shoot...for the rest of the turn after Turbo-boosting" (BRB 45).
I can also give my Tzerald "Master of Sorcery" which lets him "use one extra ranged weapon in its Shooting phases" (Codex: Daemons 74) This means the model can fire +1 gun per phase. So here's the crux: can I turbo-boost and also fire a gun, just like the old PotMS?
Turbo-boosting jetbikes can't shoot. But MoS lets me use an extra weapon [it seems that "use a ranged weapon" cannot mean anything except "shoot"; what else am I gonna do with it?]. I go from firing 0 guns to firing 1 gun.
Please don't compare this to PotMS in 6th. The new "Machine Spirit" makes some very specific nerfs that Master of Sorcery does not make. A better comparison might be a Tzeentch Daemon Prince with Mos who runs. Normally he can fire 3 guns; when he runs can he still fire 1?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 03:33:59
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Turbo boosting/running replaces Shooting IIRC
not the same as 5th.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 04:28:57
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Instead of firing != you cannot fire 1 weapon.
Firing more than 1 weapon doesnt mean you are allowed to shoot when you are told you are unable to fire
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 13:46:13
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Instead of firing != you cannot fire 1 weapon.
Firing more than 1 weapon doesnt mean you are allowed to shoot when you are told you are unable to fire
But look at the quotes I provided above. MoS does NOT say "you can fire more than one weapon," it says you can "use an extra gun." Which means theoretically I could fire more than zero guns, right?
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The Grimdark Future 8500 1500  6000 2000 5000
"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 13:48:18
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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You could, but turbo-boosting prevents you from firing anything whatsoever, so you can't.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/01 13:48:36
Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 13:57:59
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Elric Greywolf wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote:Instead of firing != you cannot fire 1 weapon.
Firing more than 1 weapon doesnt mean you are allowed to shoot when you are told you are unable to fire
But look at the quotes I provided above. MoS does NOT say "you can fire more than one weapon," it says you can "use an extra gun." Which means theoretically I could fire more than zero guns, right?
Nope as you gave up the right to shoot any.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 14:06:01
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Elric Greywolf wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote:Instead of firing != you cannot fire 1 weapon.
Firing more than 1 weapon doesnt mean you are allowed to shoot when you are told you are unable to fire
But look at the quotes I provided above. MoS does NOT say "you can fire more than one weapon," it says you can "use an extra gun." Which means theoretically I could fire more than zero guns, right?
You are not allowed to fire *anything*. Firing something contravenes this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 22:49:01
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Dakka Veteran
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Just a plain ole fashioned NO
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 02:34:07
Subject: Re:Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Beast of Nurgle
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You know this same argument of no used to be used on the Stormraven and Potms when moving flat out...
Except it can still use potms after moving flat out.
not seeing a difference here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/03 03:07:51
Subject: Tzerald Turbo-Boost and Master of Sorcery
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not in 6th edition it cannot.
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