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In theory how could IoM do that ? Being that "Daemon Worlds are not bound by the laws of physics, but by the whim of their daemonic rulers and the emotions of their mortals' collective unconsciousness"...(to quote wikia)...

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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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I believe a ork waaaghhh went into the eye of terror and captured like six daemon worlds so theoretically yes

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 Tusken Sith Lord wrote:
Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.


This. Unless you are a species like the Ork that can thrive on any planet then there is no point. Just glass the place.
   
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At the rate in which the IoM nukes planets that aren't demon worlds, I'm fairly sure that they'd just waste everything they found.

Y'know unless a BL writer wanted something to be found on a Demon World, in which case there' be a seven book arch about cleansing a demon world of it's taint.

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Once a world has transformed into a categorized Daemon World, there's no way to "save" it. Exterminatus is the only answer. That being said really only true Daemon Worlds exist in places where the Warp and Materium overrlap (Eye of Terror, Maelstrom, other Warp storms/rifts), so it's a bit difficult for them to ever hope of reclaiming it in the first place.

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Well, there was the Cursed Founding, most of which went on a gigantic crusade into the Eye of Terror. One Chapter discovered that the planet they were on was actually a giant fat man curled up into the fetal position.

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 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Well, there was the Cursed Founding, most of which went on a gigantic crusade into the Eye of Terror. One Chapter discovered that the planet they were on was actually a giant fat man curled up into the fetal position.

Which one is this?
Also there's no real point in taking a Deamon World, unless you wanted it for research which no one would be stupid enough to do, so the best answer is to nuke it, or if you don't have the resources to nuke 3000+ planets, just ignore them and keep a planet like Cadia to bar the exit for any chaos forces.

   
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Lest you simply wanted to deny the enemy territory from which they can act against a planet such as Cadia..... i.e. less pools of resources, less attacks = more resources can be moved to fight the 6 other major threats to the IoM.

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 ENOZONE wrote:
Lest you simply wanted to deny the enemy territory from which they can act against a planet such as Cadia..... i.e. less pools of resources, less attacks = more resources can be moved to fight the 6 other major threats to the IoM.


They sort of fixed that in the new chaos codex. Apparently the pylons in Cadia help stabilize the eye of Terorr and check its growth. Nuking the planet might get rid of the forces there, but damaging the pylons means that the anomaly will start to to spread and who knows how large it can get, engulfing whole segmentums in daemons.

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I meant inside the Eye.

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 ENOZONE wrote:
I meant inside the Eye.

Inside the Eye, the worlds are partly daemonic anyway, so there wouldn't be any way to be sure that the planet wouldn't just eat the nuke and spit it back at you.

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 Durza wrote:
 ENOZONE wrote:
I meant inside the Eye.

Inside the Eye, the worlds are partly daemonic anyway, so there wouldn't be any way to be sure that the planet wouldn't just eat the nuke and spit it back at you.


That is why I posted this question,c'mon if psykers can pinpoint deamon worlds why IoM doesn't do something and nuke them? Ofc it's your answer @Durza, so I'm thinking about SoB/saints and GK finally doing something...

ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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Technically it would be impossible, There would be no point sending in imperial guard forces because they would be driven insane by chaos sorcery the moment they touched down on the planet, Even if that factor didn't apply then if they sent down say 10 million guardsmen then 20 million chaos lesser demons would just come to face them as Deamon worlds are like paradise to the damn things so like orks you kill 1 of them and 2 more would just burrow out of the planets very surface or just teleport in directly from the warp and no matter how many of these lesser demons the guard killed they would eventually just overwhelm the guard and slaughter them, This is what would happen even without Greater Deamons, Bloodstorms, 50 foot deamon monsters with swords twice as long as that that spew fire lol

They wouldn't bother trying to retake or capture a deamon world anyway because the strategic value of such a world is none once a planet first begins to turn into a deamon world it will never be the same again Think of it as trying to build your house on quick sand theres really no point.

The only way to destroy a deamon world would be with exterminatus providing the iom could defeat whatever space defenses the 'planet' has failing this they would send in space marines preferably Greyknights although normal marines could do it providing there's no too much Tzeentch sorcery present and the marines your sending aren't blood angels because blood angels are EXTREMELY vulnerable to the Blood rage? i think its called that they are cursed with, That makes them behave just like khorne berzerkers or chaos dreadnoughts and they would just kill them selves faster than chaos would kill them, But back to the point if normal marines or greyknights were sent in they would have to find some way to destroy the planet from the ground as quickly as possible, Like a strike force of handpicked marines did on the planet Saint Josmane's Hope where they tampered with some sort of power reactor and set it to explode destroying the entire planet , The marines scarcely escaping with there lives after this.

300 GreyKnights along with 4 dreadnaughts, terminators, and heavy weapons once invaded a deamon world to hunt down and kill a Tzeentch deamon prince who's name i cant remember because its more confusing than an Icelandic mountain or a welsh town, Zero Greyknights survived and there objective was NOT achieved.

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They don't obey the laws of physics. Why do so many people think you can nuke them? Nukes need the laws of physics.

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NO. Just no. To quote Inquisitor Amberley Vail, "Unfortunately it's generally impossible to pronounce Exterminatus on a so-called daemon-world, since, being outside time and space in the conventional sense, tried and tested methods such as virus bombing are at best ineffective and at worst counter-productive; the last thing you want to do in such a case is to give them ideas." The best the Inquisition can do is quarantine the system and try to destroy any ship that tries to leave, much less enter.

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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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 Tadashi wrote:
[b]NO]/b]. Just no. To quote Inquisitor Amberley Vail, "Unfortunately it's generally impossible to pronounce Exterminatus on a so-called daemon-world, since, being outside time and space in the conventional sense, tried and tested methods such as virus bombing are at best ineffective and at worst counter-productive; the last thing you want to do in such a case is to give them ideas." The best the Inquisition can do is quarantine the system and try to destroy any ship that tries to leave, much less enter.


Pretty sure you either just made that up, or quoted a FFG... which isn't technically GW cannon...

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 ENOZONE wrote:
 Tadashi wrote:
[b]NO]/b]. Just no. To quote Inquisitor Amberley Vail, "Unfortunately it's generally impossible to pronounce Exterminatus on a so-called daemon-world, since, being outside time and space in the conventional sense, tried and tested methods such as virus bombing are at best ineffective and at worst counter-productive; the last thing you want to do in such a case is to give them ideas." The best the Inquisition can do is quarantine the system and try to destroy any ship that tries to leave, much less enter.


Pretty sure you either just made that up, or quoted a FFG... which isn't technically GW cannon...


I bet ten dollars that I didn't make that up...and I'd win my bet.

Its the footnote on p. 595 of the first Cain omnibus Hero of the Imperium.

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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 Tadashi wrote:
 ENOZONE wrote:
 Tadashi wrote:
[b]NO]/b]. Just no. To quote Inquisitor Amberley Vail, "Unfortunately it's generally impossible to pronounce Exterminatus on a so-called daemon-world, since, being outside time and space in the conventional sense, tried and tested methods such as virus bombing are at best ineffective and at worst counter-productive; the last thing you want to do in such a case is to give them ideas." The best the Inquisition can do is quarantine the system and try to destroy any ship that tries to leave, much less enter.


Pretty sure you either just made that up, or quoted a FFG... which isn't technically GW cannon...


I bet ten dollars that I didn't make that up...and I'd win my bet.

Its the footnote on p. 595 of the first Cain omnibus Hero of the Imperium.


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BlaxicanX wrote:
Who cares what Amberly Vail says? The CC series is deliberately a parody. Nothing stated within it can be counted as a credible source.


Because she's an Inquisitor, that's why. And I don't recall any official publications saying the Ciaphas Cain series being a parody. Just because you and some others don't like it doesn't mean it becomes a parody. If that were the case, then with so many people disliking Ward's fluff, then everything he writes would be parodies too - but they're not. Just because I don't like ADB and his works, doesn't mean his works are parodies. What has been written, has been written.

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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Ciaphas Cain... Badass hero? Or cowardly kitten?

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 Rysgame wrote:
Ciaphas Cain... Badass hero? Or cowardly kitten?


The former with a really serious case of inferiority complex/imposter syndrome.

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Just putting it out there, but there are some who actually discredit Matt Ward's fluff on the basis that they don't like Matt Ward - especially since his own lore discredits many preceding sources that are effectively ret-conned. I could also make the Star Child argument, but I won't.

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