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I have a very complicated question, and I'm really not sure how to completely structure it to make sense without spelling out the situation where my question would occur. So therefor I have constructed a little example scenario where the rules conflict in question would become an issue. Please oh oracle of dakkadakka lend me your wisdom in assisting me with solving this dilemma that has been plaguing me.
Lets assume the following CSM army with Chaos Daemons Allies.
Chaos Lord (Mark of Slaanesh, Seed of Slaanesh) - 100 pts
10x Chaos Cultists - 50 pts
10x Chaos Cultists - 50 pts
Herald of Slaanesh - 50 pts
5x Daemonettes of Slaanesh - 70 pts
5x Seekers of Slaanesh - 85 pts
Total 355 Points.
Yes a small army but legal army. All that is necessary to generate this issue.
So, For this example Lets assume any standard mission type, does not matter who goes first, what matters is deployment.
Per codex Chaos Demons, All of my units from codex Chaos Daemons go into reserve. (C:CD 27, C:CD FAQ v1.2)
I declare the Herald of Slaanesh and the Daemonettes to be one unit, attaching the IC to them. (C:CD 27, C:CD FAQ v1.2)
I deploy both squads of Cultists per the rules of the mission type. (BRB 124)
I declare that I am putting my Chaos Lord into Reserves. (BRB 124)
Because CSM and Chaos Daemons are Battle Brothers, I choose to attach my Chaos Lord to the Squad of Seekers that is also in Reserve, making one unit. (BRB 112,124, C:CD 27, C:CD FAQ v1.2)
Now, the Steed of Slaanesh gives the Chaos Lord multiple special rules, one of those rules is Outflank, (C:CSM 67)
The wording of the special rule for Outflank specifically states that "any unit that contains at least one model with this special rule", Therefor since the Chaos Lord has the Outflank rule, he confers it to the squad of Seekers (BRB 39, 40 )
During my deployment I declare my intent Outflank with the unit of Chaos Lord/Seekers that are in Reserve. (BRB 40, 124 )
After My opponent has finished his deployment as normal, the Game Begins. On my first turn, Daemonic Assault is triggered. (C:CD 27, C:CD FAQ v1.2)
Per Rules for Daemonic Assault I separate the two units of Daemons into two piles, Put the one unit of Daemonettes and the Herald in the pile that I am choosing to make the Daemonic Assault, and put the Seekers / Chaos Lord Unit in the pile I am intending to leave in Reserves, in their case to Outflank (C:CD 27, C:CD FAQ v1.2)
Now this is where things begin to break down in my path of logic. So therefor bear with me.
First, lets assume that due to the Capriciousness of the Chaos Gods. I roll a D6, In this case they have betrayed me...as i Roll a 1! So per Codex: Chaos Deamons Page 27... the OTHER pile I had in reserve, must arrive via deep strike via Daemonic Assault. Here is first question. What happens to the Unit of Seekers/Chaos Lord? As Chaos Lord does not have the ability, but the unit of Seekers MUST Deep Strike per the rules from the BRB on page 36. What happens? He cant leave the unit, as he was declared to be part of the unit when it was in reserves... Therefor, what happens? Does he Deep Strike with the unit of Seekers? does he somehow detach from the unit and come in via outflank? does he fizzle away and get lost in the ether? You tell me!
Now, lets assume the second situation, where the Chaos Gods have smiled upon me and confirmed my decision for what pile should be in the Daemonic Assault. In this situation the Daemonette/Herald group arrives via Daemonic Assault as it is layed out on page 37 of the Chaos Daemons codex, as well as the BRB under the Deep Strike rules on page 36. On my second turn, I roll for reserves and get a 3+, SUCCESS, the Seeker/Chaos Lord unit will come into play... But will the unit come into play via the Deep Strike rules or via the Outflank Rules?
For the second question i am confused due to the wording of Daemonic Assault from the Codex: Chaos Daemons on page 27. To quote the part of it in question. "... The remaining units are held in Reserve and their arrival is rolled for as normal. When a unit becomes available, it enters play via Deep Strike."
In this instance i am baffled, Does this mean that the unit cannot Outflank? Even though it was declared that was what was intended? Or does it get to Outflank and the last sentence is ignored due to the fact the "reserves as normal" kicking in, and only once it finds that they are not outflanking does it move onto the "enters play via deep strike?'
If the unit is forced to enter play via Deep Strike, see question one above... In short. What happens to the Chaos Lord as the deep strike rule is not on his profile, but he is clearly in the same unit as the Seekers?
Or i guess the last question would be, would the chaos lord not be able to join a Daemon squad that is in reserve, even though they are battle brothers, unless he had the deep strike rule on his profile (as in if he was wearing terminator armor instead?)
Whew That was long winded, Thank you All of Dakka for looking at this, Please impart me with your wisdom in this manner.
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