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With the loss/removal of lash of Submission, If your fielding a daemon prince what psyker abilities (and gear?) do you use for him?

His stats seem very friendly towards making him a combat character. I think Biomancy would be a good discipline for a Prince, since Iron Arm would make a Prince scarier than he already is, while also covering the whole instant death problem.

Brother SRM seems to have hit the nail on the head there...

 Brother SRM wrote:
His stats seem very friendly towards making him a combat character. I think Biomancy would be a good discipline for a Prince, since Iron Arm would make a Prince scarier than he already is, while also covering the whole instant death problem.

The only question becomes is he worth the price. If he has wings and 3 mastery levels thats around 300 points. You have to roll one on the codex powers, which means you have a 1/3 chance at hitting Iron Arm.

Psychic Princes just aren't worth your points. Turn them into melee princes. A khorne prince with the axe on the charge gets 7+d6 Ap 2 str 9 attacks at ini 8. Which against marines get to reroll to hit. Give him wings and he crosses the board on a single turn. And HoW attacks thrown in the mix?

Not bad for something that costs about as much as a land raider.

 IcedAnimals wrote:
Psychic Princes just aren't worth your points. Turn them into melee princes. A khorne prince with the axe on the charge gets 7+d6 Ap 2 str 9 attacks at ini 8. Which against marines get to reroll to hit. Give him wings and he crosses the board on a single turn. And HoW attacks thrown in the mix?

Not bad for something that costs about as much as a land raider.

Fairly easy counter to him, mind you he will more than likely still eat the squad.
Be in terrain. The big guy is lacking in the G-nade Dept.

Generally, Black Mace will score you far more kills than the Axe though, while costing 10 pts more, due to it's Cursed ability. The Axe's extra strength gives you little benefit, and the Mark of Khorne is overkill for a monster such as this, when there are marks out there that can keep the DP alive in shooting. And remember, the Axe's -1WS makes marines hit him on a 4+ instead of 5+. I am still not sure why people keep recommending the axe for DPs, mark of Nurgle or Tzeemeche and Black Mace is just superior in every respect. The axe IS amazing on a lord though

Remember that the Black Mace is AP2 when wielded by a MC.

Other than that, yeah, biomancy is the obvious choice there. Even smite gives him something to shoot, which is nice, but all the self buffing powers like Iron Arm etc are golden. I rarely take powers with him though, as he still might simply get shot to pieces before he gets into combat.

Still, DPs are really powerful in 6th, but a completely different unit than 5th. They seem to be an extremely mobile melee glass cannon now, far more killy than before, but even more susceptible to Anti Tank. Learn how to hide them out of LoS, and learn how to move in and assault in such a way so you can get cover after you kill your target.

If you want your lash prince, just take it from the Daemon Codex. Doesn't even count as a psychic power, just a normalish shooting attack.

 n0t_u wrote:
If you want your lash prince, just take it from the Daemon Codex. Doesn't even count as a psychic power, just a normalish shooting attack.

Pavane isn't as good as lash in many respects, but it can be fielded cheaply. Just ally the masque. With we are legion she can pavane three targets per shooting phase. Just not the same one twice.