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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 16:58:13
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Just a quick one. If you move into base to base with your opponents quad gun and he has nobody in base to base.....can you fire it as normal?
My stormtroopers secured one a while back and I ended up using it to shoot at my opponent......correct?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 17:03:10
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Yes, the Quadgun is actually a neutral model. Anyone in BtB can fire it.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 17:08:10
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Yep, Anyone in BtB can fire it IIRC
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 18:25:21
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Dakka Veteran
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Took one over last night with my Orks and used it against my opponent. Nothing wrong with that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 19:33:10
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Cool
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/04 21:12:33
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Stormblade
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I actually didn't know this. Thanks.
For reference, where in the BRB is that?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/04 23:43:49
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 02:31:17
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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What if both players have a model in BtB? Do they both get to shoot it, or does no one get to shoot it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 02:36:48
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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sounddemon wrote:I actually didn't know this. Thanks.
For reference, where in the BRB is that?
Gun emplacement pg 105. Automatically Appended Next Post: katfude wrote:What if both players have a model in BtB? Do they both get to shoot it, or does no one get to shoot it?
I would say both it's only specification is one model in base contact.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/05 02:37:45
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 12:33:37
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Sinewy Scourge
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Yep both. Jetbikes grabbing a quad gun and using it to clear enemy models off the quad gun is hilarious. Remember you must stay 1" away from enemy models though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:05:14
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Morphing Obliterator
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A little off topic but something that happened on one of my last games, if the gun is destroyed does it gives a victory point on the purge the alien mission? I say no as the gun is a neutral model, my opponent said yes because i purchased that unit. (at the end we rolled a die)
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CSM 10k points
IG 3k points
Orks 2k points
WoC 3.5k points
VC 2.5k points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:07:01
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Sinewy Scourge
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No VPs, or first blood for that matter. This is because of the wording of both rules and the neutral nature of the gun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:09:28
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Wrong, it actually counts.
First blood says "The first unit of any kind to be removed as a casuality..."
Gun Emplacements are a model, and thus are a unit. And the requirement doesn't require it to be an enemy unit.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:12:07
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Morphing Obliterator
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Grey Templar wrote:Wrong, it actually counts.
First blood says "The first unit of any kind to be removed as a casuality..."
Gun Emplacements are a model, and thus are a unit. And the requirement doesn't require it to be an enemy unit.
It is however not actually mine, assuming that FB hasn't been achieved yet and somehow my opponent gets control of it... if i try to blew it up i'll give him first blood by destroying my own unit?, in that same logic if it's mine it shouldn't be able to use it
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CSM 10k points
IG 3k points
Orks 2k points
WoC 3.5k points
VC 2.5k points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:13:27
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Sinewy Scourge
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Read the rest of the rule. Who is awarded the VP?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:20:10
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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no one is awarded the VP, however First Blood has been achieved.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:21:18
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Grey Templar wrote:Wrong, it actually counts.
First blood says "The first unit of any kind to be removed as a casuality..."
Gun Emplacements are a model, and thus are a unit. And the requirement doesn't require it to be an enemy unit.
Is it a unit, or battlefield debris (thus making it terrain)?
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:22:10
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Happyjew wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Wrong, it actually counts.
First blood says "The first unit of any kind to be removed as a casuality..."
Gun Emplacements are a model, and thus are a unit. And the requirement doesn't require it to be an enemy unit.
Is it a unit, or battlefield debris (thus making it terrain)?
The Gun Emplacement fits the criteria for a unit, as well as Battlefield Debris. Odd isn't it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:34:18
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Sinewy Scourge
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Interesting way to nullify FB if you don't think you can achieve it. Hmm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:44:02
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Regular Dakkanaut
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On the topic of the Quad Gun, can it fire automatically (at BS 2) or does it need a model standing next to it to fire.
This has come up several times in my play group.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:46:21
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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The Hive Mind
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FenixZero wrote:On the topic of the Quad Gun, can it fire automatically (at BS 2) or does it need a model standing next to it to fire.
Gun Emplacements cannot fire on their own.
Only Emplaced Weapons can.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:48:43
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Regular Dakkanaut
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rigeld2 wrote:FenixZero wrote:On the topic of the Quad Gun, can it fire automatically (at BS 2) or does it need a model standing next to it to fire.
Gun Emplacements cannot fire on their own.
Only Emplaced Weapons can.
They really needed to come up with a different name for one of those two, I can where the confusion came from.
Thanks, this is what I understood as well after reading the rules a bit, just wanted to make sure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 16:49:10
Subject: Re:Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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FenixZero wrote:On the topic of the Quad Gun, can it fire automatically (at BS 2) or does it need a model standing next to it to fire.
This has come up several times in my play group.
The Quad gun is a gun emplacement. It cannot fire on it's own. pg 105 BGB
The Emplaced Weapons of lets say Fortress of Redemption however can. Pg96. BGB
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/05 21:46:14
Subject: Aegis defence line.....with interceptor gun
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Nothing like using your opponents gun against them for huge lols........although I won't go into the time somebody stole my allies gun and used it to gun down my elysians with demo charge lol
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