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So, in the "Right Down To The Wire" Thread, someone mentioned a scenario where an Ork (last Ork model on the table) blew up a SM vehicle (last SM model on the table). In the ensuing explosion, the ork. Now, common sense would dictate that the game ends in a draw. HOWEVER, that is not so.

"Likewise, if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins."



So, RAW, instead of it being a draw, both players win! Regardless of how pointless this is, agree or disagree? This could be interesting if it happened in a tournament; common sense would dictate each player gets the points for a tie, however it could be argued that RAW they both get the points for a win.

Actually, that rule scenario doesn't cover your example.
In your scenario, more than one player has no models on the battlefield.

 pretre wrote:
Actually, that rule scenario doesn't cover your example.
In your scenario, more than one player has no models on the battlefield.

Dammit. GW's fiddly wording spoiling all my fun

The game breaks, it doesn't cover what happens when both players are tabled at the same time.

I was going to say the game breaks, but the game doesn't need to.

You would just keep completing turns until the game ends and then count up victory points.

Since the whole 'no models' thing is an exception to the normal rules and it doesn't apply here, you're pretty okay to go.

Something like that happened to me at a tournament but it was 5th ed, a bloodthirster with one wound left charged my defiler, both last units on a killpoints match, at the end he destroyed it but the def exploded, rolled 6 to wound and he missed his wound. So no more models left. At the end I won due to having more kill points but yeah it was pretty weird

For a tournament setting it boils down to how the game is scored.

For example, let's say it is a objective mission that also has slay the warlord and first blood.

In your scenario no points are awarded for objectives ( everyone's dead after all ) and you each get a point for slay the warlord. However only one of you got first blood: there's the winner.

clively wrote:
For a tournament setting it boils down to how the game is scored.

For example, let's say it is a objective mission that also has slay the warlord and first blood.

In your scenario no points are awarded for objectives ( everyone's dead after all ) and you each get a point for slay the warlord. However only one of you got first blood: there's the winner.

Unless the first unit killed was a Quad gun ...

Quad guns aren't units...

 pretre wrote:
Quad guns aren't units...

Sure it is, it meets the requirements needed for a unit.

clively wrote:
For a tournament setting it boils down to how the game is scored.

For example, let's say it is a objective mission that also has slay the warlord and first blood.

In your scenario no points are awarded for objectives ( everyone's dead after all ) and you each get a point for slay the warlord. However only one of you got first blood: there's the winner.

Unless first blood was achieved by both parties, like two units attacking each other in CC at the same initiative and they wipe each other out on said initiative.

Technically, if you are tabled your opponent automatically wins.

In this case, both players are fulfilling the "Opponent is tabled" requirement. Thus we have a draw.


Tabling overrides all other victory conditions unless otherwise stated.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Technically, if you are tabled your opponent automatically wins.

In this case, both players are fulfilling the "Opponent is tabled" requirement. Thus we have a draw.


Tabling overrides all other victory conditions unless otherwise stated.

"Likewise, if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins."

The requirements are not met for the tabling requirement. Two players have no models on the battlefield, which is a bit different.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Quad guns aren't units...

Sure it is, it meets the requirements needed for a unit.

Does it? I am not so sure that it does

 pretre wrote:
"Likewise, if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins."

The requirements are not met for the tabling requirement. Two players have no models on the battlefield, which is a bit different.

Since two includes one twice, it can easily be read that it's triggered twice instead of once.

thisisnotpancho wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Quad guns aren't units...

Sure it is, it meets the requirements needed for a unit.

Does it? I am not so sure that it does

It meets the definition for a model, and a group of 1 or more models forms a unit.

Read page 3 and then read the Gun Emplacement statline.

I'm not so sure, It is a model? It states that you use a model to represent it, but it does not say that the gun emplacement is a model itself. And it doesn't say anything about removing it from play as a casualty

Given that it has wounds, yes it can be removed as a casuality.