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**PredaKhaine**

1) If no units are killed during a game (this happened recently) but one unit is broken at the end of the game, I know it counts as destroyed, but would that then make it first blood?

2) If two squads are fighting and a third squad charges in, is it possible for the third squad to block off the combat between the first two?

For example

Squad A charges squad B. A challenge is declared.
While the challenge is going on, another squad (C) charges in and squad A is wiped out.

Leaving the characters in the challenge.

Upon winning the challenge, the winning character finds out that he is in combat with 2 squads. Can squad B surround him completely, so he can't hit squad A even though he was in cc with them until first?

**Grey Templar**

If members of a unit can't make BtB with one or more enemy models they are no longer in combat. So they would consolidate and be out of combat.

**Lord Yayula**

1) Don't think that gives first blood, maybe only on the scourge the alien mission since it specifies any falling back units count as destroyed.

2) It might work however I think it'll be hard to pull it of since you would need to have the unit B 2" away from the surviving A character so that the unit C bases might move through the space and surround A. As the first combat would have made the character A in btb with the character on B he should be fairly close to the rest of the B unit. Just remember that if there is a model of B already touching the base of A you can't move him away in order to make space for the C unit

**Super Ready**

First Blood is a no. It's described as affecting "the first unit, of any kind, to be removed as a casualty during the game" (page 112).
That kills it on two fronts - a broken unit hasn't been removed (unless it falls back off a table edge, in which case it DOES count), and the whole "counts as destroyed" thing for units broken also specifies on each mission that it occurs at the end of the game, not during.

**PredaKhaine**

Cheers

**cox.dan2**

For First blood I assume there would be some kind of Blood. And what kind of unit gets broken without taking casualties?

**Grey Templar**

cox.dan2 wrote:
For First blood I assume there would be some kind of Blood. And what kind of unit gets broken without taking casualties?

Psychic powers that force a Ld test or fall back.

A unit could easily fall back off the table edge and not take any casualities.

**PredaKhaine**

"First Blood
The first unit, of any kind, to be removed as a casualty
during the game is worth 1 Victory Point to the opposing
player at the end of the game."

We use this as the squad counts as the unit, so my jetbikes took two casualties and broke (another turn they'd have been fine too - they were falling back past the avatar and would've regrouped due to the fearless bubble)
So we didn't give first blood as the unit wasn't destroyed.

**cox.dan2**

Sorry about that, I'm still using an out-of-date rulebook. It makes sense though, if there are "powers" that can force that kind of reaction. I wasn't trying to disrespect, Winning w/ out causalities is still better than anything I've ever done.

**PredaKhaine**

cox.dan2 wrote:
Winning w/ out causalities is still better than anything I've ever done.

Winning w/out causalties worked out as 8 marines and 2 jetbikes died and I had a couple of wraithlords wounded. The game was decided by linebreaker and was a just little boring...
If you've enjoyed a game, whether you won or lost that's the best game to have

We had a re match straight after and I took a stupid chaos army - lucius, 10 possessed (for 360pts lol), 10 noise marines and 10 chaos marines for 1000pts. It was the equivalent of a punch up outside the pub on a friday night and was a lot more fun

There's no need to apologise for asking a question and I'm really quite hard to offend