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So this has probably been asked before, in which case could someone please direct me to that thread or FAQ, but I noticed that a chaos lord can have terminator armor and an upgrade that gives it a 4++ so my question is are the invulnerable saves stackable, so you would play it as a 2++ because 5++ is 2/6 and 4++ is 3/6 so added together it is 5/6 which Is 2++ or does the 4++ save just replace the 5++ save? Same goes if a non terminator armored lord takes both the upgrades that give a 5++ and a 4++, would this also be 2++?

Nemesor wrote:
So this has probably been asked before, in which case could someone please direct me to that thread or FAQ, but I noticed that a chaos lord can have terminator armor and an upgrade that gives it a 4++ so my question is are the invulnerable saves stackable, so you would play it as a 2++ because 5++ is 2/6 and 4++ is 3/6 so added together it is 5/6 which Is 2++ or does the 4++ save just replace the 5++ save? Same goes if a non terminator armored lord takes both the upgrades that give a 5++ and a 4++, would this also be 2++?

No, you just use your best save. So if you have a 2+/5++ and you take the mark/whatever that gives your invul save +1 you would than have a 2+/4++

Just gives you a 4++, so if your lord is termi armour it would have a 5++, if you take the 4++ item then you will have a 5++ and a 4++, kind of handy if a GK player snipes your lords invuln. If they stacked Wolf Lords would have been stacking termi armor and belt of Russ all this time.

actually if a GK player snipes your lord in termy armour with the sigil of corruption you would loose both, that shot removes all invul saves provided by wargear.

Page 19 of the rulebook covers this - "Models with more than one save", and "Maximum save". While there is mention of rules that can add a modifier to your save, the sigil of corruption simply states that it grants a 4+ invulnerable save - it doesn't give you specific permission to use it as a modifier. That means your model is then a model "with more than one save" - so it must use the best available (the 4+).

Note that you CAN make the sigil of corruption into a 3+ invulnerable, by giving the model the Mark of Tzeentch. This is an example of a specifically allowed save modifier.

Well thanks guys, but page 19 only refers to cover saves, so I may email te FAQ just to make sure, cuz I'm really going that it is as I have detailed, because who doesn't want 2++

They really don't stack, with the exception of the MoT effect (or anything else that explicitly says it improves a save), all invul saves are fixed values.

Yeah, I'm just going to check because any chance of a 2++ is worth taking, IMHO. And there is still nothing that says they don't stack either. I also if they don't stack, would that mean that if you have 3 invulnerable saves that you can use all 3 because you can only use a cover save, invulnerable or armor, and you would have 3 invulns. Yeah, I'm a crazy noob

You have to have a rule saying they DO stack, otherwise they dont. that is how the game is written

No, having mroe than one (cover, invulnerable, armour) has no effect - you still take your single best save

Reread page 19 again, the "models with more than one save" section mentions cover, armour and invulnerable saves. Your argument has no grounding in the rules.

Nemesor wrote:
Yeah, I'm just going to check because any chance of a 2++ is worth taking, IMHO. And there is still nothing that says they don't stack either. I also if they don't stack, would that mean that if you have 3 invulnerable saves that you can use all 3 because you can only use a cover save, invulnerable or armor, and you would have 3 invulns. Yeah, I'm a crazy noob

You just might be after just a bunch of Dakkanauts told you it doesn't stack.

You must use the best save available. Note* this does not include made up stacked saves.

YOU FORGOT ONE SENARIO.

Lord termie armor 2/5
with sigil 2/4
with sigel termie armor and tzeentch 2/3 Yummy better on sorcerer.

but all gone if your hit by the vindicare assasin....

I think the MoT still gives you a 6+ then.
Are marks wargear or a purchased rule?

 HoverBoy wrote:
I think the MoT still gives you a 6+ then.
Are marks wargear or a purchased rule?

Normally, it would be anything in the wargear section of the codex, but the C:CSM renamed it to Forbidden Armory. I would say anything listed on pg 91 "Chaos Wargear List" would be subject to the assassin shot. Anything otherwise would not.