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Hey guys. Looking for some feedback on C:SM lists I'm toying with.

Thanks in advanced!

List #1:


List #2:



List 1 has more Speeders and another tactical squad, while List 2 has 2 flyers to help my Contemptor in the Air to Air role. And Scouts, which get a 3+ Cover in ruins, I suppose. Snipers aren't that great, except on the occasion they Rend / Precision shot. I'm also tempted to drop the ML on the Scouts for a Heavy Bolter, just because a small blast template that wounds on 2+ is pretty decent.

The Vindicators reap tanks something fierce, and nothing is quite as great as seeing a Demolisher Cannon blow a Land Raider to bits, then drop the second pie plate on the Terminators!

I actually prefer the second list.

But, where will the librarian go? it seems a waste to have him if he doesn't do anything.

Also, definately change the ML to a Hbolter on the scouts. If you shoot the ML into a tank, then you waste 9 sniper shots. But the HB will do well against infantry as will the snipers

I'm not sold on the speeders, they dont seem good enough in 6th. but i haven't used them, so i cant really comment with any real accuracy.

Hope this helps

for list 1, I like the typhoon missile launchers a lot on the speeders. with a Vindicator spam, it is so useful to have long range support.

I don't really like the melta tactical marines though... you already have a crap ton of anti-tank, and your librarian needs a place to chill...

I have an idea that i tried and it worked out a couple of times. It will seem radical and strange, but it is fun:

a 10 man tactical squad, all with bolters. including sergeant. it is about 205 points with a rhino, and it doesn't confuse it's targets as much. just shoot at infantry and have fun!

The Librarian usually chills out with a Combat Squad, as 5/6 games are Objective Missions. He drives forward and spams Null Zone. Or, if it's an army with no Invulnerable saves, he goes Pyromancy (For the First/Second spells) or Telekinesis, or Telepathy, or whatever strikes my fancy.

And if it is Purge the Alien, well, I'm probably bunkering up in my deployment zone, with the only faction I'm usually going to chase down with my tactical marines being Tau. Or, if I pick the Scout / Flyer list, I can barricade him with the Scouts to get +1 cover save from Telion.

The Avenger is just there because why not. I was tempted to go for Machine Curse, but then I realized I'm the guy who brings the most tanks at my store!

I might scrounge up some flamer models to replace the Meltas, but the Meltas are really just 10 points to blast a Marine Captain in the face if he gets close. I mean, assuming it wounds, it's a 50% chance to take a 200pt model off the table.

The speeders are amazing in 6th with reduced cover saves on everything. Need to shoot tanks? Blast them with missiles. Need to shoot Infantry? 6 Frag Missiles plop down. And heck, the Heavy Bolters can even help against Tanks and are great against non-Marine infantry. They are also decently survivable with Jink.

I'm tempted to go with the list with flyers, just to free up the Mortis to annihilate infantry squads. 14 Shots, most of the time wounding and hitting on 2s? Heck yeah. And, if my opponent moves his flyer into range after it comes on from reserve, my contemptor can give it some Assault Cannon therapy.

The all-bolter idea is kind of amusing, but, all my Sergeants are modeled with BP/Chainsword. That extra attack has killed me a Nurgle Biker Sorceror, a few aspiring champions, the Warlock in a Wraithguard squad, etc. Not to mention I'd hate myself on skimping on a cheap heavy weapon.

The Main argument I have for keeping the ML in the Scout Squad is that it's painted and built already, and my HB model is metal and old. Frag Missiles work wonders against Hordes, but, really, if you are shooting Frag Missiles, you are better off with the HB. (with the rare exception being that MLs are better against Tyranid MCs)