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Hello Dakka!! Got a new list, after I stomped some face with my 1500pt list in a tourney. Any comments and criticisms would be appreciated!

+ HQ
* Haemonculus (rides with Wyches)
Liquifier Gun, Splinter Pistol, Venom Blade
+ Elites +
* Hekatrix Bloodbrides
4x Haywire grenades
* Venom
Splinter Cannon
+ Troops +
* Kabalite Warriors
* Raider
Dark Lance, Shock Prow
* 10x Warriors
Splinter Cannon, 9x Splinter Rifle
* Kabalite Warriors
* Raider
Dark Lance, Shock Prow
* 10x Warriors
Splinter Cannon, 9x Splinter Rifle


3x Wracks
* Venom
Splinter Cannon (10pts)

* Ravager
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Nightshield
* Ravager
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Nightshield
* Razorwing Fighter
(Aerial Assault, Deep Strike, Night Vision, Supersonic)
Disintergrators (x2), Flickerfield, Monoscythe Missile, Monoscythe Missile, Monoscythe Missile, Monoscythe Missile, Twin-linked Splinter Rifle

A bit different from what I usually run, (20man kabbie w/Baron)
I've played with this list already, just wanted some general feedback. Played a Grey knights army- Rhino/Razorback, which my lances made quick work of, combined with low troop choices, they got beat down really qiuck. 3 strike squads, Termie Lib. and a Purgation w/Psycannons. Had minimal trouble, (We did, Hammer/Anvil, Emperors Will) I won 6-1 vps.Tabled.

Played against an Eldar, a bit tougher, 2 squads of Dark Reapers with Maugan Ra, messed up my vehicles pretty bad. Razorwing made short work of them. He ran, 2 Reapers, Maugan, 2 squads of 3 GJB, squad of Warp Spiders, and a squad of swooping hawks. Once the reapers were done, it was semi-smooth sailing. Hammer/Anvil, Crusade (4 obj.) Won 12-1. Tabled.

Last game was against Tau, 2 squads of 2 Broadsides with 2 shield drones per squad, Blacksun filters, multi track( or something that lets you split fire), 1 commander with Plasma/Smart missle. Iridium armor, and Blacksun. 2 squads of 10 FW, w/drones, 2 squad of 12 FW w/ drones. Got shot to pieces, railguns + raiders = bad bad day. This match was doomed from turn 1. lost 2 raiders, venom, and ravager first turn, (he seized initiative)

So bad list design or bad matchup? your thoughts dakka? Thanks

Getting seized on is horrible as DE and unless it's night fighting, you pretty much lose.

For this list, that's kinda hard to read but I think you have 2x10 Kab warriors and extra splinter cannon Venom for bloodbrides/wracks, so that's what I'm working off of.

You have 3 troop choices, there's absolutely 0 reason to run bloodbrides unless you're out of raiders and have to make them fit in a Venom. You want the extra troop and those bloodbrides are doing nothing wyches wouldn't.

I think you should stick with the dark lances on the Razorwing. If you're just tooling it up for anti-infantry, then there's other ways I'd get that at 1k points. It's useful at this level because it provides some anti-air too. You don't have to run it at all, but if you do, definitely go dark lances.

Why you were successful, that Eldar list is really weak for a 1k game honestly. The GK list sounds fine, so nice job. Tau, looks like he has a decent list against your army, and hard to judge a game where you got seized apparently without night fighting.

Agree with Tinsil on basically everything. If tau seize on DE your effectively screwed unless your flickerfields hold on your venoms. Night fight does not matter as all the good stuff will have blacksun. Later game those 2X4's they call pulse rifles can trash DE with ease.

That being the point, DE have speed. Deploy as defensively as possible, even if you are going first. Use your movement 1st turn to get into firing positions.

The only thing I really see as an issue is the shock prows. They are fine on raiders delivering assault units so you can tank shock as you rush up(combined with aethersails) but kabbie boats should be mobile gun platforms. Spend the points on a nightshield for your razorwing/wrack venom, or a splinter cannon, or an extra wrack or something.

Thanks for the feedback! Will definitely switch out the blood brides for some regular wyches. What about the Haemo? Stick him with the wracks or somewhere else? Shock prows were a 10pt filler i had left over, which in retrospect I agree with Dr. Serling, should have pumped into the wrack squad or nightshields. So would you folks recommend always deploying defensively?

One other note - warrior gun boats taking a DL are a problem, as 99% of the time your DL is shooting at BS1. Leave the DL on the vehicles (ravagers/razorwing) and switch it out of another cannon. At least with the Assault4 youre still hitting on a 4+ and wrecking their infantries day.

If you want 10 point fillers on your gun boat raiders - get splinter racks... nothing like TL splinter weaponry for your warriors!

Put the haem with the wyches.

Wracks should be nothing more than a backfield unit that hops out at the end of the game to capture an objective.

I almost always deploy as offensively as possible. Sure if you get seized you're effectively screwed, but you need that alpha strike.