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2012/11/08 02:29:24
Subject: Chapter master on bike + orbital bombardment
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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If I have a space marine chapter master on a bike, can he call in an orbital bombardment if he moves? In the orbital bombardment rules it says he can only fire it if he didn't move that turn but the bike gives him relentless.
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“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
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2012/11/08 02:39:10
Subject: Re:Chapter master on bike + orbital bombardment
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Short answer: no.
Long Answer:
Orbital Bombardment is an ability of the CM, which cannot be used if the he moves. Apart from the movement restriction it counts as firing a ranged weapon with the profile given.
Relentless allows you to count as stationary while firing certain weapon types, it makes no mention of abilities at all (regardless of similarities to a weapon of any given type.)
Since OB specifically says you can't move and use it, and Relentless doesn't override the restriction listed in the ability, you may not move and use OB.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/08 02:49:38
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2012/11/08 02:39:50
Subject: Chapter master on bike + orbital bombardment
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Marneus calagar has TDA but he still has to stand for a turn to co-ordinate a space based weapons system. Relentless allows you to move without the negative penalties for ranged weapons.
There is no penalty here it is a requirement to stand still to use the weapon at all. Not to fire it at full BS as with heavy weapons etc.
Ninja'd
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2012/11/08 02:41:12
Subject: Chapter master on bike + orbital bombardment
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Well since OB is ordanence and a barrage weapon does Relentless state one of those are covered? If not then he has to park the bike.
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0043/11/08 02:44:16
Subject: Chapter master on bike + orbital bombardment
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Strangely enough there seems to be a difference in the rules between 'not moving' and being 'Stationary'.
When firing weapons (like Heavy weapons), you're required to be Stationary. Vehicles fire more weapons when Stationary. Relentless lets you count as being Stationary.
They're pretty consistent with this term. So when a rule says you can't move, I assume it means just that. Counting as Stationary doesn't change the fact that you did move.
Also Ordnance requires you to be Stationary anyway, adding the extra 'don't move' part points towards Relentless making no difference.
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2012/11/08 03:56:24
Subject: Re:Chapter master on bike + orbital bombardment
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Indeed, not moving =/= stationary
You cannot use the orbital bombardment if you move.
GK OSRs are similer. They also require you to not move.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2012/11/08 11:52:15
Subject: Re:Chapter master on bike + orbital bombardment
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Thanks for the help guys. I was just a bit confused because the relentless rule states that it lets you count as being stationary whilst firing ordnance even if you move.
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“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
– Eighth Captain, Khârn |
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2012/11/08 12:35:14
Subject: Re:Chapter master on bike + orbital bombardment
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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 edbradders wrote:Thanks for the help guys. I was just a bit confused because the relentless rule states that it lets you count as being stationary whilst firing ordnance even if you move.
Understandable, but OB is OB ^^
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