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Is it possible to put units from an IG platoon in Vendettas without having to reserve the rest of the platoon? In particular I want to put special weapon squads in my Vendettas which forces them into reserve, but deploy the rest on the platoon (PCS, 20 guardsmen & a HWS) normally on turn 1.

The IG codex says that a platoon must be deployed together. However flyers & their contents must go in to reserve. This mandatory reserves lets you get round the 50% deployed rule, but does it also get round the rule that a platoon must deploy together? Also the IG FAQ says: "Each Infantry Platoon is deployed in place of a single unit in missions that limit the number of of units that can be deployed. In Addition when making a reserve or outflanking roll, roll once for the whole Infantry Platoon. Any units in reserve that are embarked upon a non-dedicated transport are instead rolled for separately." Taking this last sentence, since Vendettas are non-dedicated transports, the special weapon squad must be rolled for separately, but does that also imply it can be deployed separately?

The obvious answer is to use vet squads, but special weapon squads are cheaper and therefore more disposable if the Vendetta is shot down before the unit inside is able to disembark (probably by grav shoot since hover mode is normally a death sentence for the flyer and also ideally late in the game).

ChaosDog wrote:The IG codex says that a platoon must be deployed together. However flyers & their contents must go in to reserve. This mandatory reserves lets you get round the 50% deployed rule, but does it also get round the rule that a platoon must deploy together?

If only gets around the 50% rule for the Vendettas themselves, not the Guardsmen that go in them as they are not dedicated. As such if the Guardsmen are forced to deploy together then they can't go in the Vendetta (which I personally think is a bad idea anyway).

Yes they can be split. It's in the Errata of the FAQ. Units in a non-dedicated transport can be deployed seperatly.

Page 96 – Infantry Platoon, second sentence
Change to: “Each Infantry Platoon is deployed in place of a single unit in missions that limit the number units that can be deployed. In addition when making a reserve or outflanking roll, roll once for the whole Infantry Platoon. Any units in reserve that are embarked upon a non-dedicated transport are instead rolled for separately.”

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

ChaosDog wrote:The IG codex says that a platoon must be deployed together. However flyers & their contents must go in to reserve. This mandatory reserves lets you get round the 50% deployed rule, but does it also get round the rule that a platoon must deploy together?

If only gets around the 50% rule for the Vendettas themselves, not the Guardsmen that go in them as they are not dedicated. As such if the Guardsmen are forced to deploy together then they can't go in the Vendetta (which I personally think is a bad idea anyway).

Think you missed the BRB FAQ that changed this. Now dedicated or not is irrelevant.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

ChaosDog wrote:The IG codex says that a platoon must be deployed together. However flyers & their contents must go in to reserve. This mandatory reserves lets you get round the 50% deployed rule, but does it also get round the rule that a platoon must deploy together?

If only gets around the 50% rule for the Vendettas themselves, not the Guardsmen that go in them as they are not dedicated. As such if the Guardsmen are forced to deploy together then they can't go in the Vendetta (which I personally think is a bad idea anyway).

There ya go

Q: Do units that are transported in a vehicle that MUST start in
reserve count towards the number of units that can be placed in
Reserves? For example, must I count the units in a Drop Pod or
Valkyrie towards the 50% of units I can place in Reserves? (p124)
A: No.

Yep. Guard are now capable of auto-losing a match.

Can you fit a legal 1500 point army into 9 Vendettas?

I'm sure you can't, considering 9 Vendettas cost 1170 pts IIRC and you need at least 8 other units (at least one on the board to avoid auto-losing) plus an HQ to make the list legal, which doesn't fit into the remaining 330 pts. But why would you try anyway? IG aren't difficult to kill, especially if you have so few models on a board containing the entire enemy army. An auto-loss for no models on the board is on the horizon.

Hedkrakka wrote:
I'm sure you can't, considering 9 Vendettas cost 1170 pts IIRC and you need at least 8 other units (at least one on the board to avoid auto-losing) plus an HQ to make the list legal, which doesn't fit into the remaining 330 pts. But why would you try anyway? IG aren't difficult to kill, especially if you have so few models on a board containing the entire enemy army. An auto-loss for no models on the board is on the horizon.

It would probably be impossible with platoons, but you might get away with a Lord Commissar and two Swiss of penal legionnaires (at work so can't check point values).

Or Veteran squads.

Fairly certain it can be done with Platoons. Things to add up and a base platoon of the 3 (squads) is 120 IIRC