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Hi guys, just posting the list I am thinking of using. Let me know if you think something else would work better as I am looking to buy a load of new models!

Deathstar:
Karandras.
Eldrad Ulthran.
Wraithguard (X10) and spirit seer with conceal as troops choice.

Troops:
Guardians (X10 with starcannon) and warlock with conceal.
Dire avengers (X10 with exarch, BS and assault 4 shuriken catapult) and farseer (fortune, guide, ROW and SS's).
Rangers (X5 pathfinders).

Heavy support:
Fireprism.
Wraithlord (EML and starcannon).
War walker unit (Full starcannons, SL dakka seems uneffective with armor save AND FNP).

Elites:
Fire dragons (X2 squads of 5 with exarchs and fire pikes) both mounted in wave serpents.
Striking scorpions (X6 with exarch and scorps claw).

Fast attack:
Warp spiders (5 with exarch and duel DS's).

My plan is to push the deathstar straight down the middle with support from the wraithlord, race up the flanks with fire dragons and take out his armor and devastators, distract him with deep striking spiders and hopefully batter him from mid-long range while avoiding his deep striking termies and assault squads. Mephiston is also a concern (unload prism fire and starcannons/hope ROW or Ulthran with his 2+ wounding can offset him). Hopefully enough armor negating star cannon fire can offset his FNP too.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

What if he doesnt deep strike, and sends his termis and RAS straight at your deathstar?
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It will die. Thats what. No invulns = lots of dead guys... AP2 FTW!!!
Especially TH/SS... Do you know his list? I could help more if you did.
Spiders honestly arent much of a distraction, maybe 1 unit diverts? They will die and do nothing.
How many warwalkers? 3? Should be.

Seriously post an approximation of his list...

I have never been a big fan of a Firepike. It only gives you an extra 6" of range. These guys are rolling around in a Wave Serpent, so range is not a huge concern for them. You're paying 20 points for 6" and one higher BS. That 20 points can go to another Fire Dragon and have 4 points left over.

There are a lot of Starcannons in this list. They just cost so much. For 5 less points you get a great weapon in an EML.

On the Wraithlord if you go shooty then I think the best course of action is BL/EML. The Wraithlord gives you a BS4 on that BL.

Thanks for the response guys!

I will take out the fd exarch on your advive and get a couple more dragons.
The warwalker unit will be 3 strong for maximum dakka.
I may also swap some starcannons for EML!

His army list will include a couple of preds, 2 rhinos (transporting a death company poss with chap and a tactical squad with brother corbulo). He will have 2+ assault squads, some devastators, a squad of termies or 2, mephiston and I'm not 100% about the rest.

Cheers for the help.





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ooo prbably a veteran squad with sanguinary priest too!

Also I do not know if you are aware of this, but FNP works against everything nowadays except for instant death wounds. So in the end the only advantage of the Starcannon over the SL is the AP value, but you have to weigh that against the poor BS of the War Walkers and the extra shots those SL give you. Is the additional wound or so you get a turn with Starcannons worth the 60 points? Or heck even the 120 points for going with Shuriken cannons. That 120 points is 2 Vypers with dual Shuriken Cannons or another tank.

ashfire wrote:
Hi guys, just posting the list I am thinking of using. Let me know if you think something else would work better as I am looking to buy a load of new models!

Deathstar:
Karandras.
Eldrad Ulthran.
Wraithguard (X10) and spirit seer with conceal as troops choice.

Troops:
Guardians (X10 with starcannon) and warlock with conceal.
Dire avengers (X10 with exarch, BS and assault 4 shuriken catapult) and farseer (fortune, guide, ROW and SS's).
Rangers (X5 pathfinders).

Heavy support:
Fireprism.
Wraithlord (EML and starcannon).
War walker unit (Full starcannons, SL dakka seems uneffective with armor save AND FNP).

Elites:
Fire dragons (X2 squads of 5 with exarchs and fire pikes) both mounted in wave serpents.
Striking scorpions (X6 with exarch and scorps claw).

Fast attack:
Warp spiders (5 with exarch and duel DS's).

My plan is to push the deathstar straight down the middle with support from the wraithlord, race up the flanks with fire dragons and take out his armor and devastators, distract him with deep striking spiders and hopefully batter him from mid-long range while avoiding his deep striking termies and assault squads. Mephiston is also a concern (unload prism fire and starcannons/hope ROW or Ulthran with his 2+ wounding can offset him). Hopefully enough armor negating star cannon fire can offset his FNP too.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

I think the wraithguard deathstar is good if you give the warlock conceal so that they have a re-rollable cover save.

I dislike the star cannons on the War Walkers. The bread makers driving them are gakky shooters so bring SLs because they have more shots. It will be worth your while. Also FNP is no longer ignored by low AP weapons so it makes the extra dakka even more valuable.

I wouldn't recommend taking a single fireprism and a single wraithlord. Both of those units work best in pairs for the duplicity. I strongly recommend either bringing two fire prisms without upgrades or taking two gun-platform wraithlords with BL, EML, and 2x flamers. I use this loadout and it has terrific versatility. Remember that you can do precision shots with the Wraithlords shooting attacks on a 6!

I don't recommend taking striking scorpions unless they are hiding in terrain with the rangers... even then... prepare to be eaten alive by whirlwind tanks if your opponent brings one. Generally harlequins are better than striking scorpions vs. MEQ.