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Hello all,

Been reading Dakka forums forever but never actually made an account until now... apart from initially being mistaken for a spambot, looking forward to discussing some Infinity with you all.

Now, I have never played a game of Infinity and have been a Necromunda player since its day of release, it's been hyped up to me a lot, and i've been getting super excited over the rules and flavour of the game. Nomads have a lot of appeal aesthetically to me (the round visors do it for me hence my big Dark Eldar collection) so I'm going to kick of with them, more specifically Bakunin.

Now to my question... i'll be using a 150 point team along with 3 other players who are all completely new to Infinity. They will be JSA, a generic Haqqislam team and a rather mean looking PanO knights army. We've decided against using TAGs, repeaters and hacking to begin with.

Ok so my list wil be the basic Bakunin Jurisdictional Force - this is definite

Moderator - Combi Rifle
Moderator - Combi Rifle
Moderator (lieutenant) - Combi Rifle
Sin Eater - Mk12
Zero - Combi rifle, antipersonnel mines.

Now the last two minis I am having a dilemma over:

Firstly I am not the biggest fan of Reverend Moiras, are they an essential component to a Bakunin force?

I muuuch prefer Reverend Custodians, but without hacking and TAG's would they be useless?

I want to add a Prowler with a spitfire as I adore that model... would this be a good choice to accompany a small team?

I'm basically asking this because I don't want to walk into a bunch of my first ever games, with all new players, just to find I have severely crippled myself from the start.

Thanks for reading all that if you actually did

A Moira is definitively not a must. Indeed, you're able to use pretty much anything in this game so don't worry about that (althoug, I have to admit that a Moira HMG is rather brutal).
I hate to tell you that the Custodiers will be largely useless without their Hacking device.
A Prowler with Spitfire is one of my favorite minis, especially rulewise. He has an easy time getting close to make the best of his Spitfire and is well worth his points, even if his SWC is a bit hefty.

A 150 pts list would, using what you've given, be:
Moderator basic - 9
Moderator basic - 9
Moderator Lt. - 9/0,5
Sin-Eater mk12 - 29
Zero Minelayer - 19/0,5
Prowler Spitfire - 37/2

And that gives you 38 pts to spend as you'd like. You could get a fourth Moderator and a second Zero if that tickles your fancy. Personally I would go with a Riot Grrl with a MULTI Rifle, since that would give you another "special" weapon, capable of firing DA and/or AP rounds.

Hope this helps, and welcome to the addiction!

 The CF wrote:
A Moira is definitively not a must. Indeed, you're able to use pretty much anything in this game so don't worry about that (althoug, I have to admit that a Moira HMG is rather brutal).
I hate to tell you that the Custodiers will be largely useless without their Hacking device.
A Prowler with Spitfire is one of my favorite minis, especially rulewise. He has an easy time getting close to make the best of his Spitfire and is well worth his points, even if his SWC is a bit hefty.

A 150 pts list would, using what you've given, be:
Moderator basic - 9
Moderator basic - 9
Moderator Lt. - 9/0,5
Sin-Eater mk12 - 29
Zero Minelayer - 19/0,5
Prowler Spitfire - 37/2

And that gives you 38 pts to spend as you'd like. You could get a fourth Moderator and a second Zero if that tickles your fancy. Personally I would go with a Riot Grrl with a MULTI Rifle, since that would give you another "special" weapon, capable of firing DA and/or AP rounds.

Hope this helps, and welcome to the addiction!

Thankyou so much for reading, that is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for, and it's great to know the Moira doesn't have to be in there (it's just the minis i'm not keen on rather than the rules) I'll put in a Custodian when we escalate the points in remotes and TAG's and such.

My last comment would be on that choice between Riot Grrl and two extra minis, is a special weapon more practical than the extra two orders then? I haven't had a chance to see Riot Grrls stats but I'm assuming they are pretty brutal as she is HI... shame there is only a mini with an HMG available :(

Is you'r group harsh on proxying? Since there isn't any other mini, you should be allowed to use that miniature and just say it's another weapon.
As for the choice, it's all a matter of playstyle. I would prefer having an extra non-basic weapon on a HI rather that two orders... I consider the Riot GRRL to be a good backup should the Prowler fail.
But in the other case you get and extra order and an extra camouflage marker for a total of 4, helping you to confuse your opponent and manouver just a little bit easier.
You could also take a Prowler with a Shotgun if you want, or explore other options entirely. A doctor, an Uberfallkommando, a some Morlocks...

 The CF wrote:
Is you'r group harsh on proxying? Since there isn't any other mini, you should be allowed to use that miniature and just say it's another weapon.
As for the choice, it's all a matter of playstyle. I would prefer having an extra non-basic weapon on a HI rather that two orders... I consider the Riot GRRL to be a good backup should the Prowler fail.
But in the other case you get and extra order and an extra camouflage marker for a total of 4, helping you to confuse your opponent and manouver just a little bit easier.
You could also take a Prowler with a Shotgun if you want, or explore other options entirely. A doctor, an Uberfallkommando, a some Morlocks...

Thanks again for the info!

I think I'm going to love this game purely on the 'anything goes' approach I keep hearing. Got sick of 40k rather quickly when the army builds I was interested in turned out to be 'non optimal' and I experienced 7 weeks of losses over and over again to Necrons... going to go back to my love of skirmish games and this one seems superior to the competition!

Infinity then should completely turn your experience upside down! While there are a few 'non-optimal' units, the comment you will most likely hear/see is 'Its not your list, its you', which just goes to show that there is not really any such thing as netlisting or non-optimal builds for any faction, you can take what you want, when you want, and so long as you play it well, its a winner

EDIT: Apologies for not actually being able to comment on your list etc. i have no experience of Nomads...

I like the Custodian more then the Moira myself too. They work great at 150pts, your basically give up a MULTI for a HD+, for thew same price. But, with the Custodain you get Flash Pulse (great ARO weapon) and the ability to down there at most 1 HI. The thing is you really need to get use to the basic rules before you start using the Hacking rules. Once you get the basic down, then teach then to fear the Nomad Nation.

BAKUNIN JURISD. COMMAND
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 7/Irrs: 0):

REVEREND CUSTODIER Hacker Combi Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife (38 | 0.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Linkable
ODD: Optical Disruptor, Religious Troop, Hacking Device Plus, Lieutenant

PROWLER Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, CCW (37 | 2)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Shock Immunity, Multiterrain

3x MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse (9)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:10 WIP:12 ARM:0 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Linkable
Shock Immunity

SIN-EATER Mk12 / Pistol, CCW (29)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:13 PH:11 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
CH: Mimetism, Neurocinetics, Religious Troop

ZERO E/Mauler, Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife (24 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Deployable Repeater


155 Points | SWC: 3

ARMY CODE: eNozMFY1VjNWM6wxVTMEkoZqBmikiZoRkDRXA8oDANVlCZ0= Army Infinity v.3.0.

This is using just the Bakunin Starter Box and a Prowler Spitfire+Reverend Custodier blisters. You can swap the Zero up for a standard Zero if you want and get 6 points and .5 SWC back.

You can see the stats on the Riot Grrls here until you get your copy of Campaign: Paradiso.

Thanks so much for the help!

First off: Limiting unit usage can severely gimp a faction. Nomads are THE hacking/rem/tag faction. You can run them in other ways, but when you give them these tools they move into the niche that makes them unique and very fun to play as.

Tell your fellows hacking should be in, even if you wont use Tags and Rems.

Anyways, here's to the Custodier - the unsung hero of the Nomads:

Even if you forgo hacking, a hacker+ can forward observe for you in the most annoying way possible: via a marker you can mark targets hidden behind full cover and utilize one of the weapons I rarely see toted to be as amazing as they happen to be: nade launchers.

So Custodiers are much more than generic hackers; if ODD and religious, with 3 arm didn't tip you off, then the price should: most hacking devices by themselves even out to12/.5, just for the device. That's not even for a hacking+, Custodiers make great Lts, make great anything really. The hacker+ gives them an amazing ARO tool for shutting down ramboing units too.


If I was playing a 150 point game I'd make sure to take a custodier, since they're just the best model second to maybe the lasiqs (and they give you a very, very, very cost-effective and resilient Lt!). To give her a serious bite I'd add one, if not two LGLs so she can be an unholy terror with hacking+, mimicking what you'll be doing at higher point games when you get your hands on a guided missile remote.

Keep the prowler on reserve for 200+ point games, he costs heavy SWC and points for a model that is really cool, but just doesn't cut it!

First thing too; drop the Lt moderator, he's eating 2 swc you desperately need.

List:
.5/14 Moderator with LGL x3
0/29 Sin Eater Mk12
.5/23 Zero (minelayer)
.5/38 Rev. Custodier (Lt)
.5/19 Tomcat w/ Dep. Repeater

3/147
40 for the 6 (minus bare-butt)
20 for tomcat+rev
5 for shipping, pop!


With redundancies built into the list and a complete lack of need for LOS on targets you'll be able to play to Nomad strengths. A unit in hidden deployment (tomcat) with a flamer and d. repeater means he'll pose a real threat to any unit he chooses to threaten, the Zero with minelayer can both use minelayer to help bodyguard your Lt and operate as an on-the-ground support for your tomcat when he appears (secure his deployment zone if you can utilizing infiltration!). 3 LGLs mean you can properly barrage targets without endangering the units you have that can't take any fire, while your Sin Eater plays to his own strengths by getting to sit back and ARO at enemies popping out of cover to try and cancel out the advantage of your LGLs.

Honestly, you only need one or two LGLs, but my first games I lost a lot of my soft targets and having three will allow you to spread them out and try for your range bonuses and help diffuse focus fire on them.

EDITS #1,2,4: adding details I left out and correcting errors .

EDIT #3: Note too that you can bring a Zero with a dep. repeater or a moderator with a marker- both excellent, excellent options. Tomcats are one of my favorite stat-units and just fit my playstyle, I usually take 2 and then carla. They literally bring every tool you'll ever need, with AD and climbing+ to boot. This standing, the DEP Tomcat is a lifesaver, and the deployable repeater tomcat is just my way of putting one in your list. There is a lot you can do to make this list your own; a lot of points you can switch around (take a FO moderator if you want- mix things up!). Anyways, good luck playing the coy and cunning nomads.

Hey Viti, I think you've missed... that he's running Bakunin Jurisdictional so no Tomcats, and a moderator Lt only costs 0.5 swc.
That said, I think the prowler very well cuts it. He fills a rather odd role - I know of no other unit with camo and infiltration that can have a Spitfire. He's the bastard child of a heavy guns-Heavy infantry unit and a skirmisher. When I use him, I play him as if he was a fragile HI with the benefit of starting halfway up the table and beeing harder to shoot at.

Viti!

Thanks so much for that details response, and in particular giving me hope for using those awesome custodier mini's. I've proposed to my group that the lack of hacking would put me in a bad position so hopefully they will take that into account. I'll be reading over yours and everyone elses advice here as I build my final mini list!!

Also the CF is correct, I was trying to fit it all in a Sectorial list, but it's not 100% definite... I can now keep in mind the big differences between the vanilla and sectorials, firstly being that huge SWC for the moderater lt. if I should stay with vanilla.

You guys are awesome btw! After being inta-banned on creating my account (spam detection mishap) I had a feeling Dakka Dakka would be one of these horrible, elitist nightmare forums, I'm pleasantly surprised that everyone here (at least in the infinity area) seems very pleasant indeed!

I haven't posted here up until now because i still tend to need a lot of help myself. Seems like showing you my 300pt lists could help though, at least it can't do any damage.

Nomad:

Bakunin:

Interesting! Thanks for that Casey I'll lock it down in my info pipes!

I'm in the process of starting an Infinity force, but I'm not sure what to pick. I love lots of techy guys in Metal Gear Solid-like suits.

The Nomads look like a good starting place, but there's several units I don't like. Just like the OP, the Moiras don't do it for. Neither to the Moderators, really.

I like: Zeros, Custodiers, Prowlers, Spektrs, Sin-Eaters, Wildcats, Tomcats... pretty much everything with an enclosed helmet and a futuristic look, really. Is this any kind of basis for a newbie list?

Thanks... and I don't mean to hijack the thread.

Spektrs are a rather low AVA unit, same with Zeros and Prowlers.

Wildcats and Tomcats are high AVA especially in the Corregidor Jurisdictional Force.

 BurstFire wrote:
I'm in the process of starting an Infinity force, but I'm not sure what to pick. I love lots of techy guys in Metal Gear Solid-like suits.

The Nomads look like a good starting place, but there's several units I don't like. Just like the OP, the Moiras don't do it for. Neither to the Moderators, really.

I like: Zeros, Custodiers, Prowlers, Spektrs, Sin-Eaters, Wildcats, Tomcats... pretty much everything with an enclosed helmet and a futuristic look, really. Is this any kind of basis for a newbie list?

Thanks... and I don't mean to hijack the thread.

I think we're on a similar wavelength with what we like about the Nomad aesthetic. I'm all about the closed off, techy orb helmets, but I'm also not dead against moderators as grunts to back up my cool looking guys. The new sniper moderator is an awesome mini!