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I'm sincerely confused by the rules as written about fliers entering from reserve. It says that any unit entering from reserve would move on the board as a normal move. However, I'm reading that in a turn in which a flyer entered the board from reserve, it can do so facing any direction it wishes.

Does this mean that i can move 18" onto my own table edge from reserve and then face my flyer at my own table edge?

First time with fliers, not sure exactly what the rules are.

You can't do that because you cannot change the facing of the flyer after it moves (exception: Vector Dancer). In practice, a standard flyer can enter the table at very steep angles, but must still be facing forwards to some degree, so that it can get on the table.

Cool, thanks for the response

Pyrian wrote:
You can't do that because you cannot change the facing of the flyer after it moves (exception: Vector Dancer). In practice, a standard flyer can enter the table at very steep angles, but must still be facing forwards to some degree, so that it can get on the table.

I don't see why you can't face your own table edge.

There is no indication that the flyer must be facing forward. Flyers can come in any direction.

The only limitation that the flyer has in this situation is that in the next resulting move will not carry the flyer off the board.

 sounddemon wrote:

Pyrian wrote:
You can't do that because you cannot change the facing of the flyer after it moves (exception: Vector Dancer). In practice, a standard flyer can enter the table at very steep angles, but must still be facing forwards to some degree, so that it can get on the table.

I don't see why you can't face your own table edge.

There is no indication that the flyer must be facing forward. Flyers can come in any direction.

The only limitation that the flyer has in this situation is that in the next resulting move will not carry the flyer off the board.

The flyer comes on from your table edge. It flies forward from some point on your edge. It cannot turn until its next movement phase.

Indeed. The flier may ONLY turn up to 90 degrees, BEFORE it has moved.

So, fliers come in from the table edge, which is specified in the rulebook deployment types, in a straight line. It is not possible in the standard deployments to have the flier face your own table edge.

(not counting the vector dancer rules, as mentioned)

Ah that makes sense now.

Spoke to early.

Devil's advocate - where in the rules does it say that Flyers must fly forwards?


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 sounddemon wrote:
I don't understand why the flyer must face forward. Is the flyer limited to only moving with 90 degrees when coming from the board?

Flyers can only turn before movement.
No one is saying they must move perpendicular to your table edge, but they must not turn after arriving on the field.

 sounddemon wrote:

I don't see why you can't face your own table edge.

You pivot the flyer then move forward.
If you face the edge.. You'd move away from the table without moving on to it.

rigeld2 wrote:
Devil's advocate - where in the rules does it say that Flyers must fly forwards?


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 sounddemon wrote:
I don't understand why the flyer must face forward. Is the flyer limited to only moving with 90 degrees when coming from the board?

Flyers can only turn before movement.
No one is saying they must move perpendicular to your table edge, but they must not turn after arriving on the field.

I understand that. I was under the notion that the flyer pivots before it moves and regardless of the positioning it could have its rear facing the opposite table edge. Since the flyer comes in anyway from reserve.


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 sounddemon wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Devil's advocate - where in the rules does it say that Flyers must fly forwards?


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 sounddemon wrote:
I don't understand why the flyer must face forward. Is the flyer limited to only moving with 90 degrees when coming from the board?

Flyers can only turn before movement.
No one is saying they must move perpendicular to your table edge, but they must not turn after arriving on the field.

I understand that. I was under the notion that the flyer pivots before it moves and regardless of the positioning it could have its rear facing the opposite table edge. Since the flyer comes in anyway from reserve.

That's what ended up changing my conclusion on the whole matter.

rigeld2 wrote:
Devil's advocate - where in the rules does it say that Flyers must fly forwards?

To answer my own question:

BRB 80 wrote:Thereafter, it must move directly forwards in a straight line.

Would it be legal to have it facing your side of the board so it flies right off back into ongoing reserves?

 reiner wrote:
Would it be legal to have it facing your side of the board so it flies right off back into ongoing reserves?

No, as you pivot before moving and then must move forwards.

Do all flyers have deep strike? I know the necron ones do.

If it has deep strike, you could deep strike it in facing your edge.

 nolzur wrote:
Do all flyers have deep strike? I know the necron ones do.

If it has deep strike, you could deep strike it in facing your edge.

That's not the same as what is being discussed.

 sounddemon wrote:
The only limitation that the flyer has in this situation is that in the next resulting move will not carry the flyer off the board.

I actually wondered about this. Is it in fact illegal to bring a flier in from reserve, and then immediately fly it off the table?

I would check myself... but... my rulebook is kinda propping up a cable to my PC screen so that it actually functions ;P

 Kharrak wrote:

 sounddemon wrote:
The only limitation that the flyer has in this situation is that in the next resulting move will not carry the flyer off the board.

I actually wondered about this. Is it in fact illegal to bring a flier in from reserve, and then immediately fly it off the table?

I would check myself... but... my rulebook is kinda propping up a cable to my PC screen so that it actually functions ;P

Yep its illegal. You cannot go back into reserve the same turn you arrive.

 sounddemon wrote:

 Kharrak wrote:

 sounddemon wrote:
The only limitation that the flyer has in this situation is that in the next resulting move will not carry the flyer off the board.

I actually wondered about this. Is it in fact illegal to bring a flier in from reserve, and then immediately fly it off the table?

I would check myself... but... my rulebook is kinda propping up a cable to my PC screen so that it actually functions ;P

Yep its illegal. You cannot go back into reserve the same turn you arrive.

No, you can't go back into reserves in the same "movement" that you arrived from reserves. You could still flat-out back into ongoing reserves.

Ah, so while you DO have a way of not having your flier gored down by the enemies as soon as it comes in (unless they do the same), it's a tad trickier to avoid those ADL with QG's.

Thanks much!

 Kharrak wrote:
Ah, so while you DO have a way of not having your flier gored down by the enemies as soon as it comes in (unless they do the same), it's a tad trickier to avoid those ADL with QG's.

Thanks much!

This never popped in my mind. I'm definitely going to use this tactic now.

Thanks. Kevin

 Kevin949 wrote:

 nolzur wrote:
Do all flyers have deep strike? I know the necron ones do.

If it has deep strike, you could deep strike it in facing your edge.

That's not the same as what is being discussed.

Thank you for your insightful post. I was not responding to all the discussion, but to the OP. He asked if it was possible to come in and then face your own board edge. I gave an example of how you could do it. Please go away if you are not going to participate in the discussion.

Slightly off topic but still related...

Do units "inside" a flyer at the beginning of the game count towards the minimum 50% on the battlefield rule?

I can't imagine they do. Page number anyone?

Thanks!

They do not, it's in the BRB FAQ.

 nolzur wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:

 nolzur wrote:
Do all flyers have deep strike? I know the necron ones do.

If it has deep strike, you could deep strike it in facing your edge.

That's not the same as what is being discussed.

Thank you for your insightful post. I was not responding to all the discussion, but to the OP. He asked if it was possible to come in and then face your own board edge. I gave an example of how you could do it. Please go away if you are not going to participate in the discussion.

I've participated in the discussion, and the first sentence of the OP's thread opener is referencing "entering the board normally". Deep striking is not a normal move.

I wasn't meaning to discount your involvement, but adding in a layer of complexity to a discussion that is referencing "all flyers" and not "flyers with deep strike" was unnecessary to the topic.

One could also have said "if you outflank with your flyer, you could do it". While it is correct, it's still not in conjunction with the topic.