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Hello all, I'm a long time Tyranid player who ran into a dilemma in a recent tournament match. I run a minimum of two Tervigons, of which I have modeled three Carnifex bodies with a great deal of love, passion, and greenstuff. Now, the Tyranid codex was released January 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_(Warhammer_40,000)) and the Tervigon model almost two years later (~February 2012? http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/02/chapterhouse-lawsuit-and-tervigon.html) meaning there was a great deal of time in-between in which many players such as myself wanted to use this model and a conversion would be required - not optional.

Games Workshop allows for the use of 'older' models of which this is only haphazardly by that definition. One opponent in said tournament took grief to my models, saying that its smaller size yielded great advantage (cover, mostly) to me, and I *must* treat the unit as the *proper size.* I complied, but I had great reservations as I acknowledged his point, but the smaller base size also reduced some of the units inherent advantages (Synapse, 1-3 Psyker abilities, Termagant deployment range) compounded by the fact there isn't a specific rule (that I know) forcing me to do this.

Therefore my question is, what's the proper call here? I'm I forced to 'remodel' the unit into something taller/with an oval base? Can I use it as stands? Must I purchase new models ($96 x3 ), or do I apply 'imaginative' rules 'pretending' him to be the proper size, etc.?

Tervigons aren't $96 each - you might be looking at the Aus prices.

At a minimum you should use the large oval base. Pics of your conversion?

At the end of the day it's up to the Tournament Official.
There isn't a rule to cover this as you're not really using an official model.
Personally I stick the whole thing on the larger Oval Base and add a bit of terrain make it up to the right height. No need to buy new and everyones happy.
But at the very least check with your opponent at the start and offer to treat it as a larger model.

In 5th, it could have been an issue, but 6th its very much not. 6th has a specific ruling on base sizes and that suggests you to "feel free" to use appropriate bases where you can or substituting an appropriate base"if you wish". Using a replacement for measuring is not a hard set rule, but a recommended work around.

SJ

rigeld2 wrote:
Tervigons aren't $96 each - you might be looking at the Aus prices.

At a minimum you should use the large oval base. Pics of your conversion?

You are correct on the first account, my mistake.

Terrible phone photos - I'd like to post my entire army but waiting for a camera of merit:

Size reference: http://imgur.com/daJvs
Closer view on the conversion: http://imgur.com/5M8rt

jeffersonian000 wrote: In 5th, it could have been an issue, but 6th its very much not. 6th has a specific ruling on base sizes and that suggests you to "feel free" to use appropriate bases where you can or substituting an appropriate base"if you wish". Using a replacement for measuring is not a hard set rule, but a recommended work around.

I went hunting for a rule like this and was unsuccessful. Mind giving a page reference?

grendel083 wrote:At the end of the day it's up to the Tournament Official.

Cool, I'll ask around then.

 grendel083 wrote:
At the end of the day it's up to the Tournament Official.
There isn't a rule to cover this as you're not really using an official model.
Personally I stick the whole thing on the larger Oval Base and add a bit of terrain make it up to the right height. No need to buy new and everyones happy.
But at the very least check with your opponent at the start and offer to treat it as a larger model.

This is the best way to treat the situation.

Stick it on the base that comes with the Tervigon kit, and try to add a bit of terrain make it up to the right height. If that is not possible just stick the whole thing on the larger Oval Base and treat it as a larger model.

I think your models look great change base you ll be fine

There should be no grief given, the models are fairly large as is. Place them on the Lg Oval bases and there should be no complaints. Especially because they look so cool!

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
There should be no grief given, the models are fairly large as is. Place them on the Lg Oval bases and there should be no complaints. Especially because they look so cool!

Thank you kindly. I'll end up doing that if it settles the concern and try and post whole army pictures in the near future.

I tend to disagree with the other two, while I understand the unfortunate situation, the fact of the matter is that they are significantly smaller than the proper tervigon model, which is just too significant in terms of visibility to let slide IMO.

Personally I think the other guy was well within reason to request they be treated as larger, but that's just my two cents.

In the future, you should probably ask a TO about these models before the event.

They look to be about the same HxWxL body wise as the GW kit. All those vents sticking up and the tail don't count for LOS purposes(pg9 BGB). I'd say you're good as long as you place them on the larger oval bases.

Cieged wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Tervigons aren't $96 each - you might be looking at the Aus prices.
quote=jeffersonian000] In 5th, it could have been an issue, but 6th its very much not. 6th has a specific ruling on base sizes and that suggests you to "feel free" to use appropriate bases where you can or substituting an appropriate base"if you wish". Using a replacement for measuring is not a hard set rule, but a recommended work around.

I went hunting for a rule like this and was unsuccessful. Mind giving a page reference?

Bottom left of pg 3, BRB.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

Cieged wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Tervigons aren't $96 each - you might be looking at the Aus prices.
quote=jeffersonian000] In 5th, it could have been an issue, but 6th its very much not. 6th has a specific ruling on base sizes and that suggests you to "feel free" to use appropriate bases where you can or substituting an appropriate base"if you wish". Using a replacement for measuring is not a hard set rule, but a recommended work around.

I went hunting for a rule like this and was unsuccessful. Mind giving a page reference?

Bottom left of pg 3, BRB.
SJ

SJ, you're interpreting that rule extremely generously. That rule starts by stating that The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. and the 'if you wish' part of the rule is referring to Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases ... you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish.

So what the rules actually say is that you should use proper sized base, always.

Yep the rule is use the right base or an appropriate base on a model that doesn't come with one.

Tourneys run on tourney rules. Wysiwyg isn't in the rulebook either but many tourneys require it.

Most tourneys expect conversions, counts as or 3rd party models have the same base size and LOS profile and for vehicles, weapon mount locations for LOS and radius.

In an example like this, your best bet would be to get the oval bases, and build up a rocky outcropping with 5$ worth of clay, and elevate the custom models to the correct height. Make a nice display base.

It is valid to expect stock model size for gameplay, and this example, it actually matters for cover and Los purposes.

The bases is part of the actual rules, it also prevents shenanigans.