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If you have a unit deploying with Drop Pod Assault, or any of the other various turn one DS, do they count as coming in from reserves for the purposes of shooting them with intercepter, or "I've been expecting you!"?

 WolvesForTheWolfGod wrote:
If you have a unit deploying with Drop Pod Assault, or any of the other various turn one DS, do they count as coming in from reserves for the purposes of shooting them with intercepter, or "I've been expecting you!"?

Yes. In each case it states they're in reserves IIRC.

For Drop pods and Daemons I'm 100% on.

 WolvesForTheWolfGod wrote:
If you have a unit deploying with Drop Pod Assault, or any of the other various turn one DS, do they count as coming in from reserves for the purposes of shooting them with intercepter, or "I've been expecting you!"?

I have heard it argued that you don't get to intercept, as that is a form of deployment.

Because the half that are engaging in the Drop Pod Assualt (for example) aren't actually in reserves, as you dont have to roll for reserves for them to come in.

They absolutely are in Reserves. It's why the rules and FAQs have had to state that they don't count towards the 50% limit for normal Reserves. If they weren't Reserves at all, that clarification wouldn't be needed.
The DA's Deathwing Assault counts too.

FenixZero wrote:

 WolvesForTheWolfGod wrote:
If you have a unit deploying with Drop Pod Assault, or any of the other various turn one DS, do they count as coming in from reserves for the purposes of shooting them with intercepter, or "I've been expecting you!"?

I have heard it argued that you don't get to intercept, as that is a form of deployment.

Because the half that are engaging in the Drop Pod Assualt (for example) aren't actually in reserves, as you dont have to roll for reserves for them to come in.

All of the turn 1 abilities say that you're in Reserves, just that you come in turn one.

FenixZero wrote:

 WolvesForTheWolfGod wrote:
If you have a unit deploying with Drop Pod Assault, or any of the other various turn one DS, do they count as coming in from reserves for the purposes of shooting them with intercepter, or "I've been expecting you!"?

I have heard it argued that you don't get to intercept, as that is a form of deployment.
Because the half that are engaging in the Drop Pod Assualt (for example) aren't actually in reserves, as you dont have to roll for reserves for them to come in.

It is very poor argument. Everyone arriving from reserves is technically 'deploying'. For interceptor and IBEY the question is: Did the unit arrive from reserve? Answer in all those cases is yes.
Edit: And those units are explicitly in reserves. As rigeld2 said, the rules do say so.

FenixZero wrote:

 WolvesForTheWolfGod wrote:
If you have a unit deploying with Drop Pod Assault, or any of the other various turn one DS, do they count as coming in from reserves for the purposes of shooting them with intercepter, or "I've been expecting you!"?

I have heard it argued that you don't get to intercept, as that is a form of deployment.

Because the half that are engaging in the Drop Pod Assualt (for example) aren't actually in reserves, as you dont have to roll for reserves for them to come in.

Which is an appallingly poor argument, given every single "turn 1" ability specifies they are in Reserves to start with. Only by entirely ignoring the written rules can you argue the contrary

Thank you! We saw the faq, but wanted some more feedback.

What counts as 'Arriving from Reserve'?

Is it everything that is in Reserve? Or is it everything that follows the pattern outlined on in the Reserves rules?

It's just as valid of an argument to say that units arriving by 'Drop Pod Assault', 'Demon Assault', 'Deathwing Assault' are arriving by those methods and not arriving from Reserves. None of their individual methods in the codex references that they are arriving from reserve. Not that they should, since they were all written where at a time when this wasn't even an issue.

Clarify with your opponent before the game begins, if that won't settle it, then dice off. If it's a Tourney, then check with the TO. Life as usual.

:( I felt that we were denied a chance to shoot at the marines, but the guy that we were playing was pretty sure you couldn't.

I didn't argue it because I am few new to the hobby, and he is a long time vet.

 Akar wrote:
What counts as 'Arriving from Reserve'?

Is it everything that is in Reserve? Or is it everything that follows the pattern outlined on in the Reserves rules?

It's just as valid of an argument to say that units arriving by 'Drop Pod Assault', 'Demon Assault', 'Deathwing Assault' are arriving by those methods and not arriving from Reserves. None of their individual methods in the codex references that they are arriving from reserve. Not that they should, since they were all written where at a time when this wasn't even an issue.

Clarify with your opponent before the game begins, if that won't settle it, then dice off. If it's a Tourney, then check with the TO. Life as usual.

Drop Pod/Daemonic/Deathwing Assaults all clearly state the models are in Reserve. I'd they are not arriving from reserves, where are they coming from?

 Akar wrote:
What counts as 'Arriving from Reserve'?

Is it everything that is in Reserve? Or is it everything that follows the pattern outlined on in the Reserves rules?

It's just as valid of an argument to say that units arriving by 'Drop Pod Assault', 'Demon Assault', 'Deathwing Assault' are arriving by those methods and not arriving from Reserves. None of their individual methods in the codex references that they are arriving from reserve. Not that they should, since they were all written where at a time when this wasn't even an issue.

Clarify with your opponent before the game begins, if that won't settle it, then dice off. If it's a Tourney, then check with the TO. Life as usual.

Read the respective codex entries; they state they're in reserve, and or come from reserve automatically on T1.

Drop pods in vanilla marines dont mention reserve in their entry.

40k-noob wrote:
Drop pods in vanilla marines dont mention reserve in their entry.

Their entry says that they always enter play using the Deep Strike mission special rules.
Which means they must start in Reserve.

rigeld2 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Drop pods in vanilla marines dont mention reserve in their entry.

Their entry says that they always enter play using the Deep Strike mission special rules.
Which means they must start in Reserve.

So the Ghostwalk mantle for Obyron can DS and he can use it while not in reserves. Is he breaking the rules then?
Or does everytime a unit/model uses deep strike they count as having arrived from reserves?

40k-noob wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Drop pods in vanilla marines dont mention reserve in their entry.

Their entry says that they always enter play using the Deep Strike mission special rules.
Which means they must start in Reserve.

So the Ghostwalk mantle for Obyron can DS and he can use it while not in reserves. Is he breaking the rules then?

It's almost like if something gives a specific exception that they're special.

Or does everytime a unit/model uses deep strike they count as having arrived from reserves?

No.

You don't deploy the Pods. Your only option when not deploying is Reserves. Since they must enter play (aka deploy) by the Deep Strike rules, they must not deploy and are therefore in Reserves.

rigeld2 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Drop pods in vanilla marines dont mention reserve in their entry.

Their entry says that they always enter play using the Deep Strike mission special rules.
Which means they must start in Reserve.

So the Ghostwalk mantle for Obyron can DS and he can use it while not in reserves. Is he breaking the rules then?

It's almost like if something gives a specific exception that they're special.

Exactly. The codex for vanilla marines does the same thing for Drop pods now doesn't it?
Because if you notice, they do not have Deep Strike as a special rule, they have Drop Pod Assault that lets them deploy using deep strike rules, same as Obyron.

They never say they are in reserve, just that they enter play using DS rules. So the half the must deploy 1st turn are entering play using deep strike rules, but are not in reserve.

40k-noob wrote:
They never say they are in reserve, just that they enter play using DS rules. So the half the must deploy 1st turn are entering play using deep strike rules, but are not in reserve.

Cite the allowance to not be in Reserve.
They cannot be deployed with the rest of the army. The only other option is Reserve.

rigeld2 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
They never say they are in reserve, just that they enter play using DS rules. So the half the must deploy 1st turn are entering play using deep strike rules, but are not in reserve.

Cite the allowance to not be in Reserve.
They cannot be deployed with the rest of the army. The only other option is Reserve.

They also do not deploy/enter the game like Reserves.

The special rule doesn't say they are in Reserve like other Dex's, they don't have the DS USR and must enter play in turn 1. Sure seems like an exception to me.

Honestly I don't what to call it, but can you make the claim they are arriving from Reserves on turn 1 for the purposes of Interceptor or for that matter Nemesor PR? For Drop Pods, seems to me like there is some wiggle room to say, no they are not.

40k-noob wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
They never say they are in reserve, just that they enter play using DS rules. So the half the must deploy 1st turn are entering play using deep strike rules, but are not in reserve.

Cite the allowance to not be in Reserve.
They cannot be deployed with the rest of the army. The only other option is Reserve.

They also do not deploy/enter the game like Reserves.

The special rule doesn't say they are in Reserve like other Dex's, they don't have the DS USR and must enter play in turn 1. Sure seems like an exception to me.

Honestly I don't what to call it, but can you make the claim they are arriving from Reserves on turn 1 for the purposes of Interceptor or for that matter Nemesor PR? For Drop Pods, seems to me like there is some wiggle room to say, no they are not.

The only wiggle room would be something that allows them to not be deployed before the game starts, and also not be in Reserve.
The only option to not be deployed is to be in Reserves. There's nothing in the DPA rules contesting that.

Technically the DPA rules don't do anything - they reference the Deep Strike mission special rule, which doesn't exist anymore. It's been folded into the - guess what - Reserves special rule.

Space Marine Codex, page 69:
"Drop Pods always enter play using the Deep Strike rules"

40k Rulebook, page 36:
"In order for a unit to be able to Deep Strike, all models in the unit must have the Deep Strike special rule and the unit must start the game in Reserve."

So, anything that comes on by Deep Strike is in Reserve. And yes, weapons with Interceptor can therefore shoot them on Turn 1.

Q: Does a squad disembarking from a Drop Pod, or Mycetic Spore, count as arriving from reserve for Inquisitor Coteaz’s I’ve Been Expecting You special rule? (p45)
A: Yes, this means that Inquisitor Coteaz and his unit will be able to fire once at each unit.

Specifically "I've been expecting you" definitely works according to the Grey Knights FAQ.

Well, when the game started and they were not on the board, where were they?

Is there some other magical place other than reserves that they were hanging out at?

Wouldn't it be logical that an AA gun can shoot an incoming droppod? But I guess it would be less logical that it could "intercept" and demon materializing from the warp out of thin air? I play both Marines and Daemons and personally I think it is fine to shoot the pods, but I think anyone insisting of having a go at every demon i deploy is just TFG.

aliusexalio wrote:
Wouldn't it be logical that an AA gun can shoot an incoming droppod? But I guess it would be less logical that it could "intercept" and demon materializing from the warp out of thin air? I play both Marines and Daemons and personally I think it is fine to shoot the pods, but I think anyone insisting of having a go at every demon i deploy is just TFG.

Ignoring for a moment that you'd only be allowed to shoot one unit per turn anyway, how is it TFG to play according to the (in this case extremely clear) rules?

aliusexalio wrote:
Wouldn't it be logical that an AA gun can shoot an incoming droppod? But I guess it would be less logical that it could "intercept" and demon materializing from the warp out of thin air? I play both Marines and Daemons and personally I think it is fine to shoot the pods, but I think anyone insisting of having a go at every demon i deploy is just TFG.

It is not at every daemon you deploy, you get one shot (or 4 shots for a quad gun) per turn you arrive.

Look this is very simple, any model not on the board at the start of the game is in reserve.
Secondly one blast of a quad gun isn't that big a deal tbh, instead of getting shot during their turn they shoot you now and it's only 1 unit that can be targeted.

It's worth noting that Coteaz' rule is not just one unit, it can be used against every unit that arrives from reserves in the rule's range. So THAT could wind up being vicious in the wrong circumstances.

But, liturgies (and others) are correct. You are told to deploy your forces in your deployment zone at the start of the game. Anything that you do not place at that time *MUST* be declared as reserves. How it later arrives is irrelevant for the purposes of both Interceptor and I've Been Expecting You!.