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If I bring my Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber in from reserves, and want (very much) to destroy my friend's Helldrake, hence choose to skyfire with my Void lances, am I still able to aim missiles at ground units. And if not, is it because I wouldn't be firing at the same unit, because I chose to Skyfire, or both :\ Also, so as to get behind his Helldrake, I'm hoping to deep strike in, if I do this would I still be "Hard to hit" hence hit by Skyfire or snapshops only? Thanks in advance

Unless there is something specific in the FAQ that would allow you to, than the appears a solid no due to both reasons you listed.

You cannot target another unit. If you choose to skyfire at a zooming flier then you can only snapfire at fground targets - meaning any blasts cannot be fired, as they cannot target fliers and must snapfire at anything else, which they cannot do...

Ok thanks guys - so If I deep strike in, would I only be hit on snapshots and skyfire?

If you deep strike in, you're coming in from reserves, meaning your model could also be targeted by Interceptors.

Teamsixteen wrote:
Ok thanks guys - so If I deep strike in, would I only be hit on snapshots and skyfire?

The Voidraven doesn't have the option to hover, so it's still a zooming flyer (and thus 'Hard to Hit'). It counts as having moved at Cruising speed.

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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Unless there is something specific in the FAQ that would allow you to, than the appears a solid no due to both reasons you listed.

Just FYI, if you do have the option to target more than one unit then choosing to skyfire doesn't specifically negate your ability to shoot air and ground targets, you would only get snapfires on ground targets though.

Deep Striking vehicles are moving at Cruising Speed. And as the Voidraven can only Zoom it will count as Zooming at cruising speed.

Brill, thanks again.

Teamsixteen wrote:
Ok thanks guys - so If I deep strike in, would I only be hit on snapshots and skyfire?

How are you deepstriking a Voidraven?

It has the Deep Strike rule listed in it's unit entry

edit: On a side note, what about firing blast weapons at flyers (their hard to hit rule only says they can't be hit by blast weapons, not they can't be targetted) and effecting units below the flyer?

My gut feeling is that, if you opted to Skyfire it won't work, because you can only snap shot against ground targets, and blast weapons can't be snap shot, ergo blast weapons that are Skyfiring can't hit ground targets.

But what about if for some reason you choose not to use Skyfire when targetting a flyer, I feel that in that instance, you could fire the blast weapon hoping for collateral damage against ground units.

Heh I'd missed that been using them for ages and somehow didn't spot it.

 Drunkspleen wrote:
It has the Deep Strike rule listed in it's unit entry

edit: On a side note, what about firing blast weapons at flyers (their hard to hit rule only says they can't be hit by blast weapons, not they can't be targetted) and effecting units below the flyer?

My gut feeling is that, if you opted to Skyfire it won't work, because you can only snap shot against ground targets, and blast weapons can't be snap shot, ergo blast weapons that are Skyfiring can't hit ground targets.

But what about if for some reason you choose not to use Skyfire when targetting a flyer, I feel that in that instance, you could fire the blast weapon hoping for collateral damage against ground units.

If you choose not to Skyfire at the flyer you'll have to snap-shot, and you can't fire Blasts when you snap-shot. So you can't fire a blast weapon at a flyer.

Chrysis wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
It has the Deep Strike rule listed in it's unit entry

edit: On a side note, what about firing blast weapons at flyers (their hard to hit rule only says they can't be hit by blast weapons, not they can't be targetted) and effecting units below the flyer?

My gut feeling is that, if you opted to Skyfire it won't work, because you can only snap shot against ground targets, and blast weapons can't be snap shot, ergo blast weapons that are Skyfiring can't hit ground targets.

But what about if for some reason you choose not to use Skyfire when targetting a flyer, I feel that in that instance, you could fire the blast weapon hoping for collateral damage against ground units.

If you choose not to Skyfire at the flyer you'll have to snap-shot, and you can't fire Blasts when you snap-shot. So you can't fire a blast weapon at a flyer.

More specifically, you can not target the flier. Choosing a target and firing a weapon are, technically, separate steps.

hmmm, so obvious, not sure how I managed to overlook that little issue.

Edit: Ignore me, I can't read

Bugs_N_Orks wrote:
Had this talk a while ago:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/463902.page

Nothing prevents you from targeting fliers with blast weapons if you have the skyfire rule, and nothing says that skyfire blasts don't hit models on the ground if they end up under the template.

Except the FAQ that says you can't....

Am I missing something here? How are you able to shoot at two different targets in the same phase anyway, regardless of skyfire/snapfire?

The particular flyer in question can't.

Only Stormravens can do it with POTMS. And then it still doesn't work as you declared Skyfire(or didn't) and are thus shooting at a target mandating Snapshots.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The particular flyer in question can't.

Only Stormravens can do it with POTMS. And then it still doesn't work as you declared Skyfire(or didn't) and are thus shooting at a target mandating Snapshots.

If you have a raven you can take out two flyers in one turn(with good rolls) assault cannon or lazcannon turret at one and everything else at the other. If you take the heavy bolter and hurricane sponsons then you really don't care if you have to snapshot at a blob of orks on the ground, there are so many rounds there anyway that it's gonna hit something.

Well yeah, the situation here is shooting at 2 targets with one being flying and the other not. If you have Skyfire, shooting at the ground target will mandate a snapshot.