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Hello,

I was working on a Necron list including Imotekh, and this thought ran through my head.

Imotekh's Lord of the Storm rule dictates how night fighting and lightning work with him in one's force. However, it does not state whether or not Imotekh must be on the board at the start of a game for these to take affect.

Is it possible to have Imotekh in a Night Scythe in reserve and still have lightning blast one's foes?

Dr. What wrote:
Hello,

I was working on a Necron list including Imotekh, and this thought ran through my head.

Imotekh's Lord of the Storm rule dictates how night fighting and lightning work with him in one's force. However, it does not state whether or not Imotekh must be on the board at the start of a game for these to take affect.

Is it possible to have Imotekh in a Night Scythe in reserve and still have lightning blast one's foes?

I think this is still debated. It would be in effect in turn 1. I'm of the personal opinion that it continues until you fail the roll (and no other night fighting is in effect), regardless to him being on the board or not. But that's just my stance going off what the codex says and all. *Shrug*

 Kevin949 wrote:

Dr. What wrote:
Hello,

I was working on a Necron list including Imotekh, and this thought ran through my head.

Imotekh's Lord of the Storm rule dictates how night fighting and lightning work with him in one's force. However, it does not state whether or not Imotekh must be on the board at the start of a game for these to take affect.

Is it possible to have Imotekh in a Night Scythe in reserve and still have lightning blast one's foes?

I think this is still debated. It would be in effect in turn 1. I'm of the personal opinion that it continues until you fail the roll (and no other night fighting is in effect), regardless to him being on the board or not. But that's just my stance going off what the codex says and all. *Shrug*

I feel that from a fluff point, Imotekh could be a bit away, and the storm foreshadows his coming, so it should be accpetable, but I'm not sure...

The FAQ that allowed the chrono to work on the "lightning" roll turned the army wide roll into one made by IMotekh (otherwise the Chrono doesnt work on it) - and you dont get to roll while in reserve unless specifically told you can

Yeah, prior to the FAQ, the lightning was just an effect that triggered if Imotekh was in your army. Post FAQ, the waters have been rather muddied.

I'm still happy to play it that the effect triggers regardless of if he's on the table or not - but it's likely safer and more accurate (RaW) to only allow it when he's on the table.

I just called GW (the guy's name was Andrew) to ask.

The guy said that if Imotekh is in reserve, then his lightning still strikes.

Feel free to investigate further.

PLease read the tenets of the forum

Dr. What wrote:
I just called GW (the guy's name was Andrew) to ask.

The guy said that if Imotekh is in reserve, then his lightning still strikes.

Feel free to investigate further.

2. The only official sources of information are the current rulebooks and the Games Workshop FAQs. Emails from Askyourquestion@games-workshop.com are technically official, but they are easily spoofed and should not be relied on.

Basically it's wasted breath in any forum on dakka.

And if you ask the same question twice from them, you often get two completely different answers.

If I keep a Space Marine Captain in reserve, am I allowed to use his orbital bombardment? Probably not. If my Swarmlord isn't on the field, do I still get bonuses to reserve rolls? Probably not.

How we play it is if the model is not on the field, it's powers aren't active. You want night-fighting and lightning? Put him on the field. Holding him in reserve is just cheese to frustrate your opponent (and not in a good way)

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
If my Swarmlord isn't on the field, do I still get bonuses to reserve rolls? Probably not.

So the Swarmlord isn't alive in Reserve? That's the only requirement for Alien Cunning.

Like I said, we play it like this: you want the cool rules that some model brings, then put the model on the table. No risk, no reward.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Like I said, we play it like this: you want the cool rules that some model brings, then put the model on the table. No risk, no reward.

That's great for how you play it, but this is a rules discussion board not a hywpi board.

Since his rule doesn't say "whether on the table or not" it does become a HIWPI discussion. Hence the reason it has been discussed before...

Now consider this: the Emperor's Champion grants an army-wide rule, in effect, adding a rule to thw models on the board. Then, if he were in reserve, the rule would apply, as it goes on to models on the board. However, Imotekh himself is generating an effect on the field. He should be on the field to generate it. Otherwise it could work even after his death.

Ok, change the scenario: Hes in a transport. Not "on" the field, but not in reserve or dead.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Since his rule doesn't say "whether on the table or not" it does become a HIWPI discussion. Hence the reason it has been discussed before...

Now consider this: the Emperor's Champion grants an army-wide rule, in effect, adding a rule to thw models on the board. Then, if he were in reserve, the rule would apply, as it goes on to models on the board. However, Imotekh himself is generating an effect on the field. He should be on the field to generate it. Otherwise it could work even after his death.

You're right, they don't say that, they say "if your army includes". Which is much more encompassing then "on the field or not". The FAQ even maintains this wording.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
If I keep a Space Marine Captain in reserve, am I allowed to use his orbital bombardment?

I would have to say no, as he does not have orbital bombardment.

 nolzur wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
If I keep a Space Marine Captain in reserve, am I allowed to use his orbital bombardment?

I would have to say no, as he does not have orbital bombardment.

That is the definition of Irony... [/sarcasm]

Could we draw precedent from Imotekh's Grand Strategist rule and the FAQ that goes with it?

It says (paraphrasing) that if Imotekh is in the list, you can seize on a 4+ (except if the opponent has any Orks on the field).

No,becayuse the chrono answer made it Imotekhs roll.