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Hey everyone I have a few more questions that i would love help understanding since well i have trouble with the rules and well and still learning.

Ordnance weapons and line of sight. Do they need it? Since I have two tanks that have that rule. Vindicator and Whirlwind?

And deep striking units via drop pod /Teleportation. Do they snap fire in the shooting phase, since i was told that since being deep striked in counts as the move in the movement phase.

umm i am sure i will come up with a million D6 more questions and if i cant figure them out i will be sure that i can have you all to help.

lynxstrife wrote:
Ordnance weapons and line of sight. Do they need it? Since I have two tanks that have that rule. Vindicator and Whirlwind?

Yes. The Barrage rule lets you ignore Line of Sight (not Ordnance), which the whirlwind has but vindicator doesn't.

And deep striking units via drop pod /Teleportation. Do they snap fire in the shooting phase, since i was told that since being deep striked in counts as the move in the movement phase.

They count as moving. Assault and rapid fire weapons aren't effected, but heavy weapons would be snap fire. Same as if the unit actually moved as normal.

Thank you!

It helps to imagine how the weapons shoot (it does for me anyway).

Ordnance weapons are supposed to fire a straight shot shell - directly from the gun itself to the target - therefore you need to be able to see the target, plus anything in the way grants a cover save.

Barrage weapons lob the shell into the air to land on top of the target. Since they go up and over they dont need LOS (but scatter more as a result) and you work out cover from where the shell finally lands - as it goes over anythgin between the gun and the target.



With the Deep Strike - i think this would be over-ridden by rules such as Slow and Purposeful or Relentless (so terminators for example) since they can move and fire heavy weapons normally.

Can they still assault?

lynxstrife wrote:
Can they still assault?

They can't assault the turn they deep strike/arrive via drop pod. The only exception (I think) are space marine vanguard veterans. They have a special rule which allows them to assault from deep strike/drop pod.

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This.

 edbradders wrote:

lynxstrife wrote:
Can they still assault?

They can't assault the turn they deep strike/arrive via drop pod. The only exception (I think) are space marine vanguard veterans. They have a special rule which allows them to assault from deep strike/drop pod.

Nope, only if they have jump packs. Heroic Intervention does not allow assaulting from a drop pod.

At work, so I could be wrong, but I thought that if a vehicle moved Cruising speed (which if DSing, it does), passengers could only fire Snap Shots. If so, models arriving via Drop Pod (or other DSing transport) would be affected, even if they disembark (see Vehicle damage effects on passengers in the FAQ for why).

Got to be honest, i thought that if a unit arrived via deep strike/drop pod/jump packs they could shoot at normal BS.

 Praxiss wrote:
Got to be honest, i thought that if a unit arrived via deep strike/drop pod/jump packs they could shoot at normal BS.

They can, unless the weapon requires a snapshot.

Right, whcih basically means heavy weapons 9not sure about salvo) - and since termiators are the only units i know of that can deep striek and carry heavy weapons....but they have relentless it is irrelevant.

 Praxiss wrote:
Right, whcih basically means heavy weapons 9not sure about salvo) - and since termiators are the only units i know of that can deep striek and carry heavy weapons....but they have relentless it is irrelevant.

A tactical squad can take a drop pod and a heavy weapon (heavy bolter, missile launcher, multi-melta, and so on). That guy would have to snap fire when the tactical squad lands in a drop pod. Same holds true for a sternguard squad that took heavy weapons and a few other units. The bolters, flamers, meltaguns, plasma guns, plasma pistols, and bolt pistols would fire normally as these are assault or rapid fire weapons.

Huh, nice to know. For some reason it's not a situation thats ever arisen in any of my games.

--question for another thread but.....isn't giving Sternguard heavy weapons kind of a waste?

Salvo weapons are not subject to snap shots if moving, or at least the Noise Marines don't. I suppose it depends on whether or not salvo weapons also have the heavy profile.

No, they have the Salvo profile. But i've never used them or faced them so dont really know how they work.

If you are stationary, you can fire more shots further.

 Praxiss wrote:
No, they have the Salvo profile. But i've never used them or faced them so dont really know how they work.

First line of salvo weapons from the rule book - Salvo weapons are essentially larger and more destructive Rapid Fire weapons.

 Praxiss wrote:

--question for another thread but.....isn't giving Sternguard heavy weapons kind of a waste?

It's the cheapest 5-man squad you can give 2 plasma cannons. Then, have Pedro Kantor make them scoring.

Not great, but not a waste, either.

Boss Zagtruck lets you assault out of a deepstrike as well as vet vanguard units. So two units in the game.

You can stick 6 long fangs with a WG terminator with a heavy weapon in a drop pod.
That's 5 snap shots and a full bs shot.