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2012/12/01 17:35:30
Subject: Somuch for the so called Arab Spring as far as Egypt is concerned
Morsi declared himself above judicial oversight, his decisions final and unassailable
Yup. That right there is where you know it's time to violently remove the man from office.
Morsi last night apologized for the power grab and said he didn't want the extra authorities, but that they were necessary for the good of the people and to safeguard the revolution
That sounds like an Idi Amin Dada quote. Supremely powerful caretakers never take care or turn over the reigns to the people.
2012/12/01 20:51:29
Subject: Somuch for the so called Arab Spring as far as Egypt is concerned
Testify wrote: Meh. I wish we'd just stay out of the Middle East unless there's a very clear benefit for ourselves or our allies.
There is - we need the oil and other resources.
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Testify wrote: Meh. I wish we'd just stay out of the Middle East unless there's a very clear benefit for ourselves or our allies.
Yes because we want islam extremist running a nation with a lot of sway in the middle eastern areas, I think a dabble to push them to the liberal party might be worth a shot
But in general meddling gets our fingers bitten.
2012/12/01 23:03:20
Subject: Re:Somuch for the so called Arab Spring as far as Egypt is concerned
The Brotherhood were a shoe in from the start of the Arab Spring (Egypt Version) apparently they were the strongest and most able of all the opposition having been in existence for years before.
Idealism isn't a match for organisation and political posturing. Though I hope to be proven wrong.
2012/12/01 23:53:35
Subject: Re:Somuch for the so called Arab Spring as far as Egypt is concerned
And now we have the opportunity to stir the pot a little and topple the brotherhood and facilitate more liberal factions into authority. Let them come to a more moderate stance and let them say they did it all themselves and if they don't, well, that's what special forces and drones are for.
2012/12/02 00:06:35
Subject: Somuch for the so called Arab Spring as far as Egypt is concerned
CAIRO (AP) -- An Islamist-dominated panel is voting on Egypt's draft constitution, the country's first charter after the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak. The draft largely reflects the conservative vision of the Islamists, with articles that rights activists, liberals and Christians fear will lead to restrictions on the rights of women and minorities and civil liberties in general.
Omissions of certain articles, such as bans on slavery or promises to adhere to international rights treaties, were equally worrying to critics of the new draft, who pulled out from the panel before the vote.
Here are some of the disputed articles:
- As in past constitutions, the new draft says that the "principles of Islamic law" will be the basis of law. Previously, the term "principles" allowed wide leeway in interpreting Shariah. But in the draft, a separate new article is added that seeks to define "principles" by pointing to particular theological doctrines and their rules. That could give Islamists the tool for insisting on stricter implementation of rulings of Shariah.
- A new article states that Egypt's most respected Islamic institution, Al-Azhar, must be consulted on any matters related to Shariah, a measure critics fear will lead to oversight of legislation by clerics.
- An article underlines that the state will protect "the true nature of the Egyptian family ... and promote its morals and values," phrasing that is vague and suggests state control over the contents of such arts forms as books and films.
- The draft contains no article specifically establishing equality between men and women because of disputes over the phrasing. However, it maintains that a woman must balance her duties toward family and outside work, suggesting that she can be held accountable if her public role conflicts with her family duties. No such article is mentioned for men.
- An article bans insulting or defaming the prophet and messengers, but is vague about what constitutes an insult, raising concerns of restrictions to freedom of expression.
- An article seeking to ensure people's dignity bans "insulting humans", a vague phrasing that rights activists say contradicts freedom of expression.
- An article maintains that the state supports the arts, science and literature and works to implement them in a way that serves society. That has raised concerns that some arts deemed not in the service of society may be restricted or censored.
- An article preserves the right of the military to try civilians before military tribunals in cases for crimes that harm the armed forces without restrictions, despite an outcry from activists who were calling for the
abolishing of such tribunals. More than 11,000 civilians were tried before military tribunals during the post-Mubarak transition overseen by the military.
"Omissions of certain articles, such as bans on slavery"... that has to be enshrined in constitution?
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2012/12/02 00:19:44
Subject: Somuch for the so called Arab Spring as far as Egypt is concerned
