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I'm starting a fantasy army and starting small. Would this list work as an introduction to the rules? Being a fan of a fluffy khorne army i'll be missing out on magic but hoping that the small size of the game might negate that. If I decide to up the points i'll find a fluffy way to include some magic.

Herald of Khorne 100

Herald of Khorne 150
Juggernaut

20 Bloodletters 253
Musician & Standard Bearer

20 Bloodletters 253
Musician & Standard Bearer

3 Bloodcrushers 240
Musician & Standard Bearer

= 996

Any advice for a newb appreciated.

Ok from the top:

At 1k, ether blade is not needed. Your herald is str 6 with killing blow as it is. Save the points.

Hes your general, so he can't be the bsb as well. So cannot take the banner either. Give him the coller of khorne for 3+ armour, 1+ on a jugger, he needs nothing else.

Not sure where you are getting ur your points values, but 15 letters does not cost 261. Its 180, a little more with command.bor have you given the units stuff and not mentioned it?

Crushers are fine, your at your max pretty much with these at 1k and being rare.

So with all that to consider, have a rethink and repost your list ideas. Then we can help.

hmm, i think i've changed the number of bloodletters and not shrunk the points accordingly, but thanks for the tips. I'll redo the list and edit the post.

cheers

as a rough idea with what you have so far:

HoK, AoK, Jugger is approx 150.

30 Bloodletters- FC- 385

3 Crushers- Standard, musician- 240

=775

225 points left. i've combined the 2 letters units. better this way

I'd be wary of him on a juggernaut. He has to be with the other juggernauts or he doesn't get a look out sir save.

But your jugs are faster and you can use them to flank and such. But you can't do that if your general is with them or he'll leave the rest of your troops behind and that really hurts Unstable armies. Though you could split the crushers in two units.

Having only 2 unit types is kind of dull IMHO. I would recommend getting Skulltaker. Some people might get mad at you at 1K points, but he's really super fluffy. If you want them to be less mad, put him on a juggernaut and have him go riding out with the bloodcrushers so your general is with your infantry. Also, the herald then buffs the bloodletters, which he wouldn't do if he was with the crushers.

Agreed on the herald on jug regarding LOS.

personally i would take him on foot in the letters.

Skulltaker is great although you still need a normal herald to give the unit hatred, skulltaker does NOT grant it. there fore i think your better off taking 2 heralds, one as a BSB.

Here's a sample for you:

Herald- 100
Herald, Collar of Khorne, BSB- 140
26 letters- FC- 361 (FC is 25 right?)- 337
5 Flesh Hounds- 175
3 Crushers- Standard, musician- 240

= 992

Gives you a punchy unit, deployed 7 wide by 4 ranks, supported on either flank by hounds and crushers.

AND SKULLTAKER! But watch your points. It is kind of hard to recommend flesh hounds, they are identical to crushers with no armor really and no stomp and no KB at half points and slightly faster.

Have 2 crusher units 2 heralds, 2 blood units, 1 skulltaker on a crusher. Though that's a lot of hero points. Like 450.

But he's after a 1k list.

At 1k, you can only take 250 points of rare, so two crusher units can't happen.

At 1k, you can only take 250 points of heros, so two crusher heralds and skulltaker on a crusher cannot happen.

Thats why i suggested what i did for the heralds. Gives you a general, a BSB with an armour save and hatred for the letter unit legally at 240 for both.

Again the 1K limit means Flesh hounds can bring the pain at Str5, they also have 2 wounds each.

Agreed at higher points limits i wouldn't use them. i guess one option would be:

instead of hounds and the letter unit i said you can just about take 2 units of 20 letter with full command each. then put general in one and BSB in the other.

Just about.

Thanks for all the comments guys.

I'm confused though with regards to the herald on the juggernaut and the crushers. Do they not have the same movement value of 7?

Yes they are. The point being made was in such a small unit of juggers is they will b targeted early. I can't see him lasting too long in there. He is much safer in the letters.

Thats not to say he won't work in juggers.

If i took 2 heralds would it matter that neither of them had any gifts or additional items since points wouldn't allow?

That way the general can hide in the letters and i can still run one in the crushers.

I guess at the end of the day it only puts me over by 1.5%, might be they'll let that slide as it's not going to be competative anyway.

Gifts are not essential at all at this level. Even in higher point games its better to still keep them cheap to save points for greater daemons and other stuff. The only gift you were originally taking was armour and the jugger gives one of them that and the other is safe in a unit.

Friendly games may let you off but its better to be within the limits.

I think the list is starting to look pretty good now. Not bad at all.

 mixer86 wrote:
But he's after a 1k list.

At 1k, you can only take 250 points of rare, so two crusher units can't happen.

At 1k, you can only take 250 points of heros, so two crusher heralds and skulltaker on a crusher cannot happen.

Skulltaker on a crusher >>>>>>> a herald on a crusher. Herald gives nothing to them. he's just slightly better and costs vastly more. Herald buffs the bloodletters so he should be with them. Skulltaker is now armor 1+ on a jugg and can move super fast and gives higher LD to crusher group and can challenge and beat most heroes.

Agreed skulltaker on a crusher is great (its how i tend to run him), but for the points cost i think 2 heralds is a better way to go at 1k.

I placed an order with my local hobby shop for most of the units i'll need and went along this afternoon to pick it up. There was an error in the order which appears to have worked in my favour.

The herald on a jugger is direct order only so they didn't send it and instead sent a Skulltaker! (which is a near perfect cast!!)

Now to attempt to convert him to sit on a jugger.

Speaking of which, since i needed 4 juggers and he only had one box of bloodcrushers i picked up the new WoC skullcrushers. They come with bigger bases, which i think are much nicer than the 50mm square ones.

Would mounting them on bigger bases affect how they perform in game other than giving my opponent a larger side target to hit? If it is an advantage to me, i'd rather not do it in case anyone cries foul.

I wouldn't worrying too much, its still 50mm wide so you gain nothing from it.