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Hey Chaps, I'm considering making a small Flesh Tearers force!

I have quite a large Imperial Fist army, almost an entire company, just a few tac squads shy! That being said, yellow is doing my nut! Having read a few pretty tasty Flesh Tearer stories and being much more interested in their fluff than that of their first founders I've decided to go for it and make a 1500 point force, to play with as an entity of its own and to use in some large apoc games with the fisters!

So I have a few questions, as I'm yet to purchase the Blood Angels Codex. If anybody can help me by answering them or offering some decent and fluffy 1500 pt lists that would be sweet!

Fluff wise I want to stay as close to the Tearers as possible. Fast and Assaulty! NO GOLD!

These questions may seem a bit obvious to those who own the codex so excuse me if thats the case!

Here goes!

1 - Is Gabriel Seth a viable option in a 1500 point force? I use Lysander occasionally for 200 pts in 1500 point games but I'm aware of the chunk he takes from my force and that its not always sensible!

2 - Can you create additional Chapter Masters as in the SM Codex or just Captains?

3 - Can those Captains be armed in Terminator Armour with two Chainfists (I'm thinking Amit)

4 - I'm guessing Mephiston costs a boat load, (See Seth Question)?

5 - I would like to make a kick ass librarian with spectral wings but is a regular librarian a better option for a smaller force?

6 - Assault Squads are troops?, but can they be without Jump Packs and packed into R-backs?

7 - Whats the crack with the Death Company? Now that rage has changed are they even better and are their dreads troops?

8 - Other than Seth and a different paint scheme does anybody have any ideas how to really set the Tearers apart from the Angels?

Thanks for any help dudes.

 geordie09 wrote:
Hey Chaps, I'm considering making a small Flesh Tearers force!

I have quite a large Imperial Fist army, almost an entire company, just a few tac squads shy! That being said, yellow is doing my nut! Having read a few pretty tasty Flesh Tearer stories and being much more interested in their fluff than that of their first founders I've decided to go for it and make a 1500 point force, to play with as an entity of its own and to use in some large apoc games with the fisters!

So I have a few questions, as I'm yet to purchase the Blood Angels Codex. If anybody can help me by answering them or offering some decent and fluffy 1500 pt lists that would be sweet!

Fluff wise I want to stay as close to the Tearers as possible. Fast and Assaulty! NO GOLD!

These questions may seem a bit obvious to those who own the codex so excuse me if thats the case!

Here goes!

1 - Is Gabriel Seth a viable option in a 1500 point force? I use Lysander occasionally for 200 pts in 1500 point games but I'm aware of the chunk he takes from my force and that its not always sensible!

2 - Can you create additional Chapter Masters as in the SM Codex or just Captains?

3 - Can those Captains be armed in Terminator Armour with two Chainfists (I'm thinking Amit)

4 - I'm guessing Mephiston costs a boat load, (See Seth Question)?

5 - I would like to make a kick ass librarian with spectral wings but is a regular librarian a better option for a smaller force?

6 - Assault Squads are troops?, but can they be without Jump Packs and packed into R-backs?

7 - Whats the crack with the Death Company? Now that rage has changed are they even better and are their dreads troops?

8 - Other than Seth and a different paint scheme does anybody have any ideas how to really set the Tearers apart from the Angels?

Thanks for any help dudes.

1) He's not prohibitively expensive for 1500 pts

2) You can make up new chapters, but they follow all the usual Blood Angel rules.

3) No, the closest you can get is thunder hammer/chain fist

4) Mephiston is 250; really pushing it at 1500. He's not quite as good as in 5th I think.

5) Well, here's the problem There are two librarians: Mephiston and the weenie librarians. So you can't "make" a more powerful librarian, you take Mephiston.

6) Yes and yes.

7) Both DC and DC dreads are troops, but neither score. So they are really more like elites that take up a troops slot. Their primary problem is mobility, and the fact that they are expensive and no harder to kill than
a regular assault guy with a priest nearby.

8) Nothing. They follow the Blood Angel rules to a T.

Fluff wise they have smaller squads and less toys due to being below strength at all times. You can use assault squads as death co to have more squads or you can take Astroth which allows you to take more than one squad of death company, and gives you the red thirst on a 3 or less. Every book I have read with them in it there stuff is usually pretty beat up, due to a constant state of war.

Thanks dudes.

I'm thinking I'll start with the following,

Troop 1 - Assault Squad (5)

Troop 2 - Assault Squad (5)

Troop 3 - Assault Squad (5)

Troop 4 - Assault Squad (5)

Elite 1 - Terminator Assault Squad

Elite 2 - Sang Priests?

I believe that priests work by buying a "squad" in the elite choices and seperating them across your squads?

 geordie09 wrote:


I believe that priests work by buying a "squad" in the elite choices and seperating them across your squads?

Correct, you can have 3 Priests for 1 elite choice.

 stokecity_m wrote:

 geordie09 wrote:


I believe that priests work by buying a "squad" in the elite choices and seperating them across your squads?

Correct, you can have 3 Priests for 1 elite choice.

What exactly do they do?

 geordie09 wrote:

 stokecity_m wrote:

 geordie09 wrote:


I believe that priests work by buying a "squad" in the elite choices and seperating them across your squads?

Correct, you can have 3 Priests for 1 elite choice.

What exactly do they do?

i take them and stick them with my assault squads for the feel no pain role they offer.

If you fail an armour save they need to roll 4+ to stay alive.

Has that FNP been over ruled by new FNP rules or is it still 4+?

So basically Apothecary! Sweet!

Can they be equipped with Jump Packs or Terminator Armour?

Don't suppose you fancy joining us for Animosity - In the Discordia System, this weekend coming dude? Its a 40K Narrative Campaign Weekend in Mansfield! Just lost a Blood Angel player! Its a ticketed event, just to cover food costs though. Click the banner in my sig for more details!

 geordie09 wrote:
Has that FNP been over ruled by new FNP rules or is it still 4+?

So basically Apothecary! Sweet!

Can they be equipped with Jump Packs or Terminator Armour?

Don't suppose you fancy joining us for Animosity - In the Discordia System, this weekend coming dude? Its a 40K Narrative Campaign Weekend in Mansfield! Just lost a Blood Angel player! Its a ticketed event, just to cover food costs though. Click the banner in my sig for more details!

They can have either jump packs or terminator armour.

I'd love to pop along, but i'm down with an ankle injury meaning i can't walk - waiting for an operation after xmas.

They're much better than the SM Codex option then! Excellent!

That's a shame chap! Hope your operation goes well! We've got a pre-heresy event in March if that suits better and more across the year!

 geordie09 wrote:
They're much better than the SM Codex option then! Excellent!

That's a shame chap! Hope your operation goes well! We've got a pre-heresy event in March if that suits better and more across the year!

Yeah i hope to attend a few of your events next year

That's great!

I'll be Orking it up at the Pre-Heresy event though!

Do you rate Seth as an HQ?

I had wanted to go for a Chapter Master Amit but if you can't take two chainfists that'll be more of a modelling project than a gaming miniature!

 geordie09 wrote:
That's great!

I'll be Orking it up at the Pre-Heresy event though!

Do you rate Seth as an HQ?

I had wanted to go for a Chapter Master Amit but if you can't take two chainfists that'll be more of a modelling project than a gaming miniature!

i use Mephiston as my hq and have him run in with either the DC or my assault squads

Never Used Seth myself.

The big M would give me some cool conversion options as I would obviously use a counts as mini rather than a straight up Meph! a lot of points for a 1500 pt force though!

Maybe i''ll up it to 2k!

So I've been collecting some bits together and I'm thinking that I'l make the Terminators Squad with large chain blades that count as Chainfists!

A bit more expensive game wise but I think that all my Tearers will have a chain weapons of some description! Probably going to load them into a Land Raider Crusader in order to be able to squeeze a Terminator Sanguinary Priest into the unit!

Anybody got any thoughts on Baal Predators?