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So im thinking about jumping into Infinity as it doesn't seem to cost too much money since they practically encourage proxies.

Anyway, before I go out to buy models, a simple question.

What appears to be the average points game of Infinity? I know with 40k 1500-1850 seems to be pretty popular in the US, so is there a popular points level here too? I know the points tend to be MUCH lower, but im curious haha

300 or thereabouts seems to be pretty popular, although it's advised to start lower (say 150, which is about the point level of a starter box). One thing to note though is that the starter boxes are apparently more of faction samplers, and not balanced against each other.

150 is the minimum you'd play, with 200-250 being the average. 300 is the max I've seen played.

I've seen 75 point intro games.
"Starter box" intro games are better, though (although since they vary from 113 to 197 or so points, it might be wise to invest in a starter + 1 or 2 blisters to even it up with some factions).

The Campaign: Paradiso missions are written for 300pts.
Around here, we play 250-300 points (if I want to play more than that, it's where infinity falls down unless you take ALL the toys).

There are some people I know who have played 500pt games, but I'd rather remove my own toenails with a blunt spoon than join them (or play 40k).

Thanks guys! Im interested in playing Ariadna, so what would someone recommend to start there?

From what I have heard about Infinity is that unlike 40k there is no real "bad" unit. There are weaker builds, but I have heard that everything is pretty well balanced and the orders system makes you more reliant on your actual tactics rather than luck of dice.

I will see if any of my friends can be churned into playing ANOTHER game system haha


Im also a bit interested in PanO....I don't know too much about the forces honestly, but off just model looks I like PanO and Ariadna the best. I want to play a shooty army because im used to that, but im leaning towards PanO more and more because I want a smaller more elite shooty army (I play IG in 40k so I don't want to have to build so many more models)

PanO have the highest BS for Line troops (LI) with fusiliers getting 12s - as opposed to the 11s and 10s with some other factions.
The tradeoff for this is a lower than average Wip (so whilst they are good at shooting, their hackers are not so good - and their medics barely passed veterinary school.

They do have the best availability of multispectral visors, though (MSV) with some good camouflage neutralisers in the force.

Whereas Ariadna are the low tech faction. They have higher than average Ph (allowing them to do more damage in CC, not that many models should really be in CC, as well as helping drag/carry other models, and survive medkits more often).
Ariadna generally have lower points cost overall as well (relatively) so can do swarms/hordes well if they want to, and smaller, elite forces as well. Ariadna tends to outnumber their opponents, but this isnt a hard and fast thing, and even then its likely 10 vs 7or something similar.

They can also flood the battlefield with Camo markers (but no TO Camo), having a whole force with some form of camo....

The downside being no hackers at all without mercs (apart from the 2-handed sword 'hackers' that some of the Caledonian models come with ) and lower tech overall. So no MSV (apart from one or two places where you can get MSV 1), no combi or multi weapons, no TAGs, that sort of thing.

EDIT: I was lazy and missed out a load of stuff, but thankfully bantha-beast had my back and covered it

Ariadna's higher PH aslo means they have a better chance to dodge compared to other factions. Their camo skirmishers have PH13 which can be pretty handy for avoiding incoming fire, jumping, climbing etc.

The upside of having no hackers is that none of Ariadna's heavy infantry units can be hacked and immobilised. Because they don't have powered armour Ariadna HI are also generally faster than most factions HI with 4 - 4 movement instead of 4 - 2.

And if you like shooty lists Ariadna can pack a lot of heavy firepower as their heavy weapons are genreally lower SWC than other armies and they have a lot of units with HMG options.

As for points the starter boxes are, not surprisingly, a good place to start at a round 120 points for most of the generic starters. Standard games can be played at anything from 150 - 300 points. You can fit pretty much anything into a 300 point game and going beyond that doesn't really add much IMO.

I knew writing this could be useful some day:

Generic Faction Starter Packs
PanOceania Starter Pack- 113 pts. 0 SWC
Yu Jing Starter Pack- 124 Pts. 0 SWC
Ariadna Starter Pack- 125Pts. 0 SWC
Haqqislam Starter Pack- 119Pts. 0,5 SWC
Nomads Starter Pack- 114Pts. 0 SWC
Combined Army Starter Pack- 189Pts. 0 SWC
ALEPH Starter Pack- 172Pts. 0,5 SWC
Tohaa Starter Pack- 136Pts. 0 SWC

Sectorial Starter Packs
Acontecimento Shock Army Starter Pack- 121 Pts. 0 SWC
Military Orders Starter Pack- 147Pts. 1,5 SWC
Neoterra Capitaline Army - Not Released yet
Japanese Sectorial Army Starter Pack- 115 Pts. 0SWC
Imperial Service Starter Pack- 178 Pts. 0 SWC
Caledonian Highlander Army Starter Pack- 126Pts. 1,5 SWC
Merovingia Rapid Response Force- 109Pts. 2 SWC
Hassassin Bahram Starter Pack- 139 Pts. 2,5 SWC
Qapu Khalqi- Not released yet
Bakunin Jurisdictional Command Starter Pack- 118 Pts- 0,5 SWC
Corregidor Jurisdictional Command- Not released yet
Shasvastii Expeditionary Force Starter Pack- 153 Pts. 3,5 SWC
Morat Aggression Force- not released yet
The Steel Phalanx- 169Pts. 3,5 SWC

I have not included the SWC of the Lt. because every starter has different options.

75p Basic 3-4 Figure game
150p Starter Boxes
250-300 Averages

Hey Washout77

200 to 300 is the popular range. I just started too with Ariadna. I usually play up at Showcase Comics in Media. I believe there is another player running demos next Saturday, 22nd. I might be up there on the 23rd.

As for what to get for Ariadna, depends on what you want to play as. You have Scots, Frenchies, and the vanilla. I went Vanilla because I love the look of the Vet Kazak and the tankhunters, you can only run those guys in the vanilla list. But for where to start, the Ariadna starter box is a good buy, but that is my opinion.

Check out the infinity website, a lot of good info there.

In the campaign, which I recommend playing after you got to know the basic rules, Ariadna also has easier time surviving waiting for MedEvac, thanks to their legendary resilience.

 mashguy wrote:
Hey Washout77

200 to 300 is the popular range. I just started too with Ariadna. I usually play up at Showcase Comics in Media. I believe there is another player running demos next Saturday, 22nd. I might be up there on the 23rd.

As for what to get for Ariadna, depends on what you want to play as. You have Scots, Frenchies, and the vanilla. I went Vanilla because I love the look of the Vet Kazak and the tankhunters, you can only run those guys in the vanilla list. But for where to start, the Ariadna starter box is a good buy, but that is my opinion.

Check out the infinity website, a lot of good info there.

I may have to take you up on that. The 22nd starts my Winter Break so I will get some gaming in (for once). Glad to see players near me though, and better yet players that are on Dakka.

So for models, what I think I like the look of the most out of the Ariadna line has to be the Kazaks or the Scouts. I just like the Russian theme haha. I don't like the look of a lot of the French models. I was always so interested in playing the army that is always "worse" than the nation it was fighting. If that means worse weapons, or worse training, but I always enjoyed being the "underdog".


I made up a quick army using the online builder. It's 250 points, and since I don't know much about the game it's mostly models I like. I know rough bits about rules and skills, so I took some of that into account.

3x Line Kazaks (Rifle)
1x Veteran Kazak (X Visor, T2 Rifle)
1X Chasseur (Rifle, Light Flamethrower)
1x Highlander Grey (Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns, Lieutenant)
1x Scout (Ojotnik, Antipersonal Mines)
1x Line Kazak (AP HMG)
1X Line Kazak (Missile Launcher
1x Veteran Kazak Doctor

Adds up to 256, and uses the Starter Box and a few blisters

Being over on points is not allowed in Infinity really (even less so than with GW games) so you need to lose those 6 points im afraid washout77.

Also, as list building goes (as of course remember that 'its not the list, its you!') but the Line Kazak with AP HMG isnt the most efficient way of getting an HMG in to your list, its very expensive on a LI model....You may hear that the scout is not the best unit either, but i like the model and so do you so go for it if you want. Also remember that you cant link in Vanilla Ariadna...

Otherwise, it has cheerleaders, plenty of orders, and some harder hitting models, so not bad at all. I would go with a different loadouts for the Vets, but thats just because i like the camo options...

I agree with Reiko. you play with the models you like. The list looks good, but you are over. You could drop one of the Line kazaks and that will take you to 247.

What am I over? People have been saying 200-300? At least if I have been understanding that correctly. Is there some special rule or mission that I don't know about that restricts points in some scenarios?


Wait, I think I get it now! You play the game in increments of 50 points? Like, 100, 150, 200, 250, etc? Isn't that because for every 50 points you get 1 point of SWC?

Yup, thats it! you can play at other points levels of course, assuming that your group agrees on the appropriate SWC points to be used, but generally the points levels are done in 50 point increments.

So, as you stated you were making a 250 point list, you were 6 points over....

Ah. Thanks! I can see why people would be stricter about it. 9 points is one Line Kazak, and from what the system looks like it seems just one more model makes a BIG difference

No worries! Absolutely, the game is based on the order system, so dont think of a model as a model, think of it as a potential order (yes, irregular models are different as they dont share their orders, and impetuous models effectively give you two orders, but you know what i mean....) and that makes a HUGE difference to gameplay. Being able to make that extra move/attack/re-camo etc, is a HUGE thing and would allow you way too much of an advantage for just few points more.

Worse than a Line Kazak:
A Metro with rifle is 8 points
A Volunteer with Chain Rifle is 6 points
An Imetron (Combined Army) is 4 (!) points and provides a Regular order....

so yeah, you cant be over points in this game...