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1. Why isn't Baroque architecture being so common despite several parts of the USA has been ruled over by European empires in the Renaissance and Enlightened Era? Baroque buildings only found common in the southwest where it was once belonged to Spain and Mexico.
2. Typical architecture for 'State Capitol buildings' had been built as Neoclassic. modelled after the Congress. (Louisana's capiton building, located in Baton Rouge, used (Imperial) Gothic instead) Does Neochassic architecture has anything to do with 'American Nationalism' psyche? if it does. do they associate 'Baroque' with European Imperialism so the federal government buildings or any state-elvel bureau offices weren't built that way? of course older Spanish Baroque buildings (especially churches) are preserved by american inheritors. but it appears that no new baroque buildings has been built in the U.S. after the Mexican war.
3. Is there any Baroque Vegas casino out there?
4. Is Alamo also (ruined) Baroque building?

^ Alamo was originally Spanish monastery+mission (or maybe.. castle!), being built as fortress is due to the proximity to the natives who might be hostile to foreigners at that time. I don't know when was it been built. in 17th century or 18th century and did it associated with Franciscan Fraiar's trek of the late 18thc. (few decades before the Revolutionary war broke out in the New England), in a movie starring Dennis Quaid, Alamo appeared to have Baroque architecture but not so elaborate.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Lone Cat wrote:1. Why isn't Baroque architecture being so common despite several parts of the USA has been ruled over by European empires in the Renaissance and Enlightened Era? Baroque buildings only found common in the southwest where it was once belonged to Spain and Mexico.
2. Typical architecture for 'State Capitol buildings' had been built as Neoclassic. modelled after the Congress. (Louisana's capiton building, located in Baton Rouge, used (Imperial) Gothic instead) Does Neochassic architecture has anything to do with 'American Nationalism' psyche? if it does. do they associate 'Baroque' with European Imperialism so the federal government buildings or any state-elvel bureau offices weren't built that way? of course older Spanish Baroque buildings (especially churches) are preserved by american inheritors. but it appears that no new baroque buildings has been built in the U.S. after the Mexican war.
3. Is there any Baroque Vegas casino out there?
4. Is Alamo also (ruined) Baroque building?

There are a few points that I should make here:

1. The Renaissance was 15th century through to the 17th century. The USA didn't exist then, and any European settlements were barely more than log cabins and frontier outposts. They had many more important things to worry about than ornate architecture, such as simply not dying. Further, most American colonies at the time were English, and in England the Baroque style was never quite as populat as it was elsewhere, such as in Italy or France.

1. Only the Eastern Seaboard and Ohio valley was originally colonized by 'British' (not just Englishmen), and has better access to timbers. the colony exists just BEFORE the first caribbean pirates shown up.

2. The Age of Enlightenment ran from 1687 to 1789, and was strictly a European thing. In fact, the Puritans travelled to the New World to escape from the Age of Reason. Being Bible literalists, their beliefs were almost the polar opposite of the Age of Enlightenment.

2.1 Didn't the Puritan 'Pilgrims' left Britain BEFORE Thirty-Years war? , They escape the Anglicanism (and instability of British politics of that time)
2.2 Age of Enlightenment also characterized by the following
- Baroque architecture was common.
- an overtly elegant outfit in Europe, Tricorne hat was common (and eventually replaced Morrion helmets worn by common troops)
- Firearms became standard infantry weapon, also soldiers stop wearing any kind of armor.
- Bigger wooden sailships,
- Caribbean piracy
(and some more!)

3. The Venetian Hotel & Casino is probably the closest thing to a truly Baroque-styled casino in Las Vegas.

4. I don't think "Baroque" means what you think it means. The Alamo is an Adobe building, which is the style common to the American Southwest. Is Adobe what you are thinking of?

Alamo and the Lone Star flag

Alamo is clearly masonry building, what will you say about its Fac,ade? If it is architecturally NOT baroque then what it is?

5. And don't forget French - ruled Louisiana colony. By the time Napoleon sold the colony to the US. The city of Nouveau Orleans is already heavily urbanized, and also heavily 'Europeanized' too!
had they introduce Baroque architecture elsewhere in that colony by the 1777?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:
1. Why isn't Baroque architecture being so common despite several parts of the USA has been ruled over by European empires in the Renaissance and Enlightened Era? Baroque buildings only found common in the southwest where it was once belonged to Spain and Mexico.
2. Typical architecture for 'State Capitol buildings' had been built as Neoclassic. modelled after the Congress. (Louisana's capiton building, located in Baton Rouge, used (Imperial) Gothic instead) Does Neochassic architecture has anything to do with 'American Nationalism' psyche? if it does. do they associate 'Baroque' with European Imperialism so the federal government buildings or any state-elvel bureau offices weren't built that way? of course older Spanish Baroque buildings (especially churches) are preserved by american inheritors. but it appears that no new baroque buildings has been built in the U.S. after the Mexican war.
3. Is there any Baroque Vegas casino out there?
4. Is Alamo also (ruined) Baroque building?

Spanish and French architecture in the US is NOT baroque, thanks.
The Alamo and the other four San Antonio missions, while cool, definitely aren't baroque. They are "mission" style, which is the form of a church, and walls with buildings on against the walls. Besides the church, everythinhg is generally square, as befitting what are essantially outpost fortresses on the frontier.


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 d-usa wrote:
Oklahoma wasn't settled until 1889, so most our stuff is fake-old.

Yes, but everything is very horizontal and vertical.

This is not baroque. Up close they are definitely not that ornate. Other than these pictures everything is square.
http://www.nps.gov/saan/index.htm

This is baroque

http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Chateau_de_Versailles.html

So real baroque buildings NEEDS a dedicated effort of deco sculptures, any buildings (especially in what is now the USA) that LOOKS ALIKE Old World original baroque building but ignores several sculpture details aren't considered ones. right?

And even when the USA became independent. (and many eastcoast cities are no longer frontier ones, even in the times that 'frontierlands' shifted to Ohio and Tennesse valleys). Did federal / state govts actually identified Baroque architecture with 'Old World ties'? (European Imperialism, European Monarchy, Roman Catholic church) while american 'nationalism' psyche believed that Neoclassic following the purest identity of Greco Roman architecture should be adopted for federal and state administration buildings instead (while someone said that Neoclassic is actually homage to (Athenian) Greeks, (Pioneer of Democracy,) round dome seems to be Roman creations (Romans also the early civilizations to adopt 'Republic' government style, Republic of Rome was quite different to modern ones however).

Also In Europe. What was the new architect that 'replacing' the Baroque by 1810. if anyone said that by then the Baroque 'is on the way out'?