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Lord of the Fleet





Texas

I know little about War Z so I only have this video as perspective that was in my youtube subox

It seems interesting that the steam page has some false info (wait people read these things?), though I do not know whether this was intentional or not. To anyone who has this game, is this true?




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Wraith






I bought it for $15 a few weeks ago.

I have no idea how big the playfield is, but it's certainly not 400km3.

I think he's nitpicking on the "desolate" bit; the game is definitely a wasteland. There are standing skyscrapers and stuff, but I think it fits the definition of desolate.

There probably will be skills, and there probably will be a "hardcore" system, there probably will be stronghold/private servers. But.... none of that has been implemented, so having it advertised on the Steam page is.... not good. Not good at all.

There is PvE in the sense that there are NPCs to kill, but there isn't a PvE system per se (like questing, "dungeons" etc). So, again, he's technically nitpicking. It certainly does "meld" the two, though, because there's zombies. And there's other players. And you can kill and be killed by zombies and you can kill and be killed by other players.

I don't tend to read game forums, but a "PvE" server where you can't kill players would completely defeat the purpose of a post-apocalyptic zombie survival game.

Server caps are currently 50. 100 would be horrible for the reasons he mentioned.

Again, he's right that private servers are not available yet.

They certainly intend to have the things they're advertising, but none of that's in yet. So it pretty much is false advertising.

The game is definitely at least in a beta state, if not alpha, if this list of features is what they intend to have.

It's not a bad game if you're into the whole zombie survival kind of thing, but it's not what the steam page says. I don't regret spending $15 on it, but I was never promised the things on the steam page. If, however, I bought it after reading the steam page, I'd be pretty miffed. This is going to end poorly for them, and they kinda deserve it. The game shouldn't be out on Steam yet, and they should make it clear that it's in beta. It's all very scummy.

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Oberstleutnant





Back in the English morass

There is quite an internet storm over tis and to be honest most of the blame lies squarely with Steam.

Stolen from another forum:

Examples:
A Huge Persistent World: The War Z is an open world game. Each world has areas between 100 to 400 square kilometers.
Not true. Only about 50 square kilometers at the moment.
Play with Friends: Hundreds of Servers to Play on and you can also rent and create Public or Private Servers allocating spots for Friends or Clans.
Not true. No private servers.
No Classes, No Levels, No Caps: Create your own survival campaign, gain experience points and spend it to learn dozen of available skills
Not true. No skill points.
Two modes of Play: Normal and Hardcore
Not true. No hardcore.
Up to 100 Players per Game Server
Not true. Max amount is 50 at the moment.
Dedicated Public Servers as well as Private Servers
Not true. No private servers.

I played a little of beta and to be honest I was less than impressed with it. I may give it ago if they make dedicated PvE servers like they are supposed to and if the price is right but Day Z is a much better game for all its problems.

RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog 
   
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Waaagh! Warbiker



Australia

I played it during Alpha, it was great fun. Back when nobody had firearms and the biggest threat was a flashlight to the back of the head. But just like DayZ the piss poor community that these open world survival games attract completely ruined it for me.

What the WarZ truly needed was another 9 months of development time before it was released, they could have had all the of the promised features implemented and avoided this mess. At this rate though i doubt the game will last that long, the Reddit hate train has been circle jerking over any negative rumor they can find about the game for months now. To the point where anyone with an opinion other than 'The game is terrible, the Devs are scammers!' is completely down voted into oblivion.
   
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Furtive Haradrim Scout





England

WarZ is a great game yet at the moment whenever someone finds a gun they just camp the safe zones which is annoying when you’ve found a couple of good guns.
   
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Lord of the Fleet





Texas

Somewhat famous youtube game viewer Totalbiscuit takes a close inspection of this game

He rants a bit more than just the false advertisement including graphics, how machines run this, the microtransactions, gameplay, etc

Interestingly he has the exact opposite reaction to "desolate" world the youtuber in the OP did


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Hallowed Canoness




Ireland

In fairness, Steam might have just gotten an early description of the game from the makers - I doubt they write the stuff themselves, and perhaps the developer gave them the wrong list of features. I doubt it's some sort of intentional conspiracy, as usually the Steam descriptions are fairly accurate. Perhaps someone should write and inform them about this?

Also, loled at the wiki vandalism

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Oberstleutnant





Back in the English morass

 Lynata wrote:
In fairness, Steam might have just gotten an early description of the game from the makers /quote]

I dont;imagine that there is any malice on Steam's part but even some cursory reseach would have told them all they needed to know.

RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog 
   
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Badass "Sister Sin"






Camas, WA

Wow. Warn someone about the wiki link. Yikes. lol

Looking for great deals on miniatures or have a large pile you are looking to sell off? Checkout Mindtaker Miniatures.
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Hallowed Canoness




Ireland

pretre wrote:Wow. Warn someone about the wiki link. Yikes. lol
You're right, probably better to just take it off before some kid clicks on it and the mods go Inquisition on my rear.

Sheesh, I'm still listening to TB ranting about the game. Sounds crazy. So much potential, but ... eugh. D:
   
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Lord of the Fleet





Texas

 Lynata wrote:


Sheesh, I'm still listening to TB ranting about the game. Sounds crazy. So much potential, but ... eugh. D:


TB: 40 minutes can save us $15 or more on steam!

 
   
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Wraith






so, I just logged in and while strongholds and skills are still unavailable, the servers now do, in fact, hold 100 people.
   
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Lady of the Lake






I'll just leave this here.


   
Made in us
Lord of the Fleet





Texas

People read the EULA?

That is hilarious though

 
   
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader




Behind you

Ironically, the EULA also states that once paid, even though WAR Z is NOT stated to still be a game in the alpha development stage, you cannot get a refund.

There was quite the large row about it.

 
   
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Oberstleutnant





Back in the English morass

EULAs mean absolutely nothing.

The Executive producer of Hammerpoint studios (who makes warZ) is attempting to claim that this is all the customers fault for "misreading" or "imagining" the game's description on Steam. English isn't his native language but still.....

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-war-z/1226980p1.html

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RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog 
   
Made in us
Wraith






Yeah, I was a bit leery when I saw the EULA was basically ripped from LoL (and also that they were charging 30+ USD for an Alpha test). Still, saw some gameplay, thought it looked decent, bought it for $15. I got my $15 worth, I suppose, but I'm beginning to regret supporting this...

The experimenting with different population caps is fine.
The messing with the amount of zombies that spawn on the server is fine.
But advertising all these features when most of them aren't in the game is definitely scummy...


...and they've upped the respawn timer to four hours instead of an hour. You can revive instantly... for real money. 50 GC. It's $5 USD for 625 GC and the more you spend, the better the "exchange rate". It's still pretty fething unlikely I'm ever going to give them more money.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Refunds, sup.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121189-How-to-Get-Your-War-Z-Refund-From-Steam
   
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau




USA

An article from Kotaku that lists everything:

This week's wildest story is the story of The War Z, a new Steam game that has caused a great deal of controversy for numerous reasons.

Update: This afternoon, The War Z was pulled from Steam.

Fans have come out criticizing the zombie survival game for misleading advertising, suspicious microtransactions, and forum censorship. Meanwhile, The War Z's developers have defended themselves, telling us that "93% of [their] customers like the game."

It's a bizarre mess that we've been following closely and will continue to follow as this week goes on. Here's everything we know about The War Z so far.

Controversy led the developers to change the game's Steam description.

Following yesterday's controversy—during which a giant thread on Reddit alleged that War Z's Steam description was full of lies—the people at War Z developer Hammerpoint Interactive have changed the game's Steam description to be more accurate. Hammerpoint no longer claims that the game has player skills, maps sized up to 400km, or private servers. (Private servers, the description now says, will be available "soon.")

Hammerpoint boss Sergey Titov also issued something of an apology to fans, saying that he was sorry they misread the description.

War Z looks a hell of a lot like Day Z.

The comparisons are impossible to avoid: from the name to the subject matter, it's easy to see War Z as a ripoff that sets out to cash in on Day Z's popularity. But while Day Z, a massively successful zombie survival mod for Arma II, is completely free, War Z costs $15 on Steam—and thanks to some newly-installed microtransactions, it could cost you even more.

In an e-mail to me, Titov addressed this controversy. (Spelling and grammar have not been altered.)

"As soon as we've announced game – we've received our share of hate from some of the DayZ fans accusing us of just ripping off DayZ concept to make a quick money," Titov wrote. "While over time, especially after game have been launched publicly players been able to see that those two designs are pretty different, there're still DayZ fanboys out there who just can't accept fact that similar concept doesn't mean being copycat... Interesting fact – only around 30% of our player base we have right now actually played DayZ. And 15% of our players never heard of DayZ before they started playing The War Z. This confirms that we've been able to attract new players to the survival/zombie war genre of the game."

Lots of people have been banned from War Z, both during the beta and the current release.

"Not too long ago, Hammerpoint banned roughly three thousand players, without providing any proof whatsoever, and blatantly lying about their anti cheat system being flawless," one Kotaku reader told me in an e-mail yesterday. "Today, they went back on their word, saying that a small amount of the bans were not legit, but still leaving a ton of people [banned], and almost 96 hours in queue from their support without any answers at all."

Several other War Z players have also e-mailed me over the past few days to complain about bans. A different player said he was banned a few days ago, then unbanned last night along with hundreds of others. "I've never hacked, or purposely used exploits that were in the game," he said. "They unbanned hundreds of players three days after the fact without saying a word between the events. They have been lying to the public non-stop."

Titov also addressed this during our conversation, telling me via e-mail that he thinks a lot of War Z players are lying. (Again, spelling/grammar are unaltered.)

"We also are pretty aggressive banning people who use cheats and hacks in a game," Titov wrote. "Those guys normally have paid $10-20 to purchase hacks that offered them'no hack detection guarantee' – naturally they're being extremely pissed off when we've detected their hacking activities and banned their accounts. Those guys are very active in spreading false information and lies about game."

You're not allowed to make posts on War Z's Steam message board about why you quit.

The rules, as laid out by a moderator who goes by the handle Kewk, are a little intense:



Some crafty players have found ways to circumvent this.

Check out this message, screencapped by a NeoGAFfer.



(Stumped? Try reading it vertically.)

A Valve moderator is investigating claims that people have been wrongly banned from The War Z's message board.

As the moderator writes:

Several users have raised concerns about censorship or other posters being banned unfairly. We take these complaints seriously and are investigating the issue.

If you have specific examples of what you feel was unfair or incorrect moderation on this forum, please post them in this thread (or on my profile) and we'll have a look. There has been a lot of traffic in this forum - a new topic every minute for the last day and a half, with thousands of replies. All that makes moderation a very difficult task.

Thousands of people are signing petitions to protest The War Z.

Some of them want full refunds for the game.

Others demand that Valve take the game off Steam.

(I've reached out to Valve to ask if they plan on doing anything about The War Z, and will update should they respond.)

The man behind The War Z helped make one of the worst games of all time.

It's called Big Rigs, and it was immortalized by Alex Navarro in this entertaining GameSpot video review. Sergey Titov was the lead programmer on Big Rigs, according to a number of write-ups on the game.

Titov most recently worked on League of Legends at Riot Games, which makes it interesting that...

At one point, the War Z's terms of service linked to League of Legends.

Although the TOS has since been changed, several months ago, it linked out to League of Legends, which seems to imply that at one point, parts of War Z's terms of service were ripped from Riot's online game.

One Kotaku reader sent in this screengrab:



The Terms of Service come with one rather interesting line.

ONCE YOU AGREE TO THIS TERMS OF SERVICE AND THE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR THE GAME (THE "EULA") AND SERVICE FOR THE GAME COMMENCES, YOU WILL NO LONGER BE ELIGIBLE FOR A REFUND FOR ANY AMOUNTS OR OTHER CONSIDERATION PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE (OR FUTURE USE) OF THE GAME CLIENT OR THE SERVICE.

Expect to see more and more strange things as time goes on.

The War Z mess has been rather crazy. Quite a few people seem to be unhappy with the game, and a number of readers have contacted us with strange details and stories about their experiences with it. We will of course continue to follow this story and keep you updated as more details come out about this strange situation.

UPDATE: More craziness!

Here's a post on The War Z's forums from Titov asking people to vote for the game on Metacritic, where it currently has a user score of 1.5/10.

And here's an article from PCGamesN, who measured The War Z's first map, Colorado. On the Steam description for The War Z, the developers say that Colorado is 100 square kilometers. PCGamesN's Steve Hogarty determined that the map is actually... 9.7417 square kilometers.


Also:

Some War Z Images Were Ripped From The Walking Dead
Jason Schreier

As promised, the strange saga of War Z just keeps getting stranger. Turns out this promo screen for zombie survival game, which was pulled from Steam earlier today, was plagiarized from The Walking Dead.

A Kotaku reader sent over the following image to show off just how much of this War Z title screen was plagiarized from other sources: (Click to expand.)



It looks like the top few photos are from fan zombie gatherings (assuming they're not from actual zombie invasions). We couldn't track down the bottom-left photo—I think it's from Shaun of the Dead?—but the bottom-middle one is straight out of The Walking Dead.

The bottom-right photo, which was mirrored for the leftmost female zombie in the War Z image, is also from The Walking Dead.

For a clearer comparison:







This is by far, one of the most BIZZAR video game news stories in awhile.

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