Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So, if we imagine that the Emperor's dream had come to fruition, the Great Crusade united all humanity, knowledge of Chaos was stamped out, and Xenos were put on the back foot, what fates might the Primarchs have had?

As I see it:
I Lion El'Jonson:
II: ?
III Fulgrim: Seems likely to be at home in a peaceful galaxy
IV Perturabo: Probably still end up falling away from the Emperor unless given some serious attention
V Jaghatai Khan:
VI Leman Russ: Perfectly loyal, but what would he do in a relatively peaceful galaxy?
VII Rogal Dorn:
VIII Konrad Curze: see Perturabo
IX Sanguinius:
X Ferrus Manus: Might go live on Mars
XI: ?
XII Angron: No way he would settle down, probably have to be put down eventually
XIII Guilliman: Administrator
XIV Mortarion: see Angron
XV Magnus: Emperor planned to put him on the Golden Throne, right?
XVI Horus Lupercal:
XVII Lorgar: Would be a great philosopher king if the Emperor kept him around/gave him something acceptable to work on
XVIII Vulkan: see Ferrus Manus
XIX Corvus Corax:
XX Alpharius Omegon: Don't know, but they're pretty adaptable...

So, there's my best guesses on these superhumans. Does anyone else have any ideas?


Edit: Can't believe I left out Guilliman, oops.

Perturabo would be designing perfect human cities that make Dorn so jealous, that he kills himself.

A lot of the others would have to be put down.

I: Lion El' Johnson: Wouldn't have had too many issues. Poet.
II. Data missing.
III. Fulgrimm: Patron of arts, would be entirely at peace.
IV. Petuarbo: Morale failing, must be watched. Maybe getting into construction.
V. Jagathai Khan: Retired to a huge Grox-farm.
VI. Leman Russ: Empy would likely be out for revenge after he ate and drank him under the table. If not Grox-farmer.
VII. Rogal Dorn: Arcitect maybe?
VII. Konrad Curze: Asymlum for the clinically insane. If not, wrestler.
IX. Sanguinius: Freak-show artist.
X: Ferrus Mannus: Would have his hands full convincing his legion that flesh is not weak.
XI. Data missing.
XII. Angron: Celebrity chef and reality-star. Just imagine him blowing a fuse over overcooked rice.
XIII. Robute Guilliman: Administrator and scribe.
XIV. Mortarion: Drug-tester.
XV. Magnus: Either sitting on the Golden Throne when Empy got tired or joining his brother Saungunius at the freak-show.
XVI. Horus: Administrator.
XVII. Lorgar: Architect or philosopher.
XVII. Vulkan: Artificer and inventor.
XIX. Corax: Poet.
XX: Alparius Omegon: Actors.

Mortarion would not have to be put down. :/


Automatically Appended Next Post:
@OP: You left out Guilliman.

There's always more galaxies to conquer and enemies to kill, so I think for the most part they'd carry on leading the Legions and killing stuff. Heck, quite possible that most of them would die before a perfect universe is achieved.

But in a perfect-perfect universe...?

I Lion El'Jonson: Stays on his own planet not doing much
II: <::redacted::>
III Fulgrim: Works to build the "perfect" society.
IV Perturabo: Construction of outposts on edge of human space.
V Jaghatai Khan: Pursues Xenos.
VI Leman Russ: Sits around playing drinking games and telling stories. Sometimes helps Khan.
VII Rogal Dorn: Given a segmentum to run.
VIII Konrad Curze: Assassinated.
IX Sanguinius: Given a segmentum to run.
X Ferrus Manus: Hi Ho, Hi Ho... it's off to Mars we go.. Brings Mars fully into the Imperial fold.
XI: <::redacted::>
XII Angron: Assassinated.
XIII Guilliman: Runs Ultima Segmentum. Eventually steps up to co-run the Imperium with Horus.
XIV Mortarion: Assassinated.
XV Magnus: Writes How To books on being a psyker. Helps with the webway. Hunts for the black library.
XVI Horus Lupercal: General administration of the Imperium.
XVII Lorgar: Establishes Scientology on a Galactic scale.
XVIII Vulkan: Works with Magnus to erradicate the Eldar.
XIX Corvus Corax: Leads expansionist policies of the Imperium
XX Alpharius Omegon: Either leads efforts to squash rebellion or starts rebellions behind the scenes. Maybe both.

Big E: Quietly steps aside to ensure the Immaterium is permanently closed.

In a perfect universe...
I Lion El'Jonson: Coordinates all the Imperium's forces against insurrection
II would exist.
III Fulgrim: Creates art in quest for "perfection"
IV Perturabo: Creates bases for defense
V Jaghatai Khan: Would rule over his own segmentum.
VI Leman Russ: Would be poised to remove any single treacherous element. Would, quite wonderfully, be acting opposite the Lion, to act as a check on each others power.
VII Rogal Dorn: Designs great cities for the Imperium/bases for defence.
VIII Konrad Curze: Would never have had such haunting dreams, and would have accepted Dorn's view on human nature, or at least reached a consensus. Perhaps would have run an Inquisition equivalent.
IX Sanguinius: Acted as the "face" of the Imperium, nipping secessionist thoughts in the bud
X Ferrus Manus: Mars
XI wouldn't have disappeared.
XIII Guilliman: General administration of Imperium.
XV Magnus: Allowed Mankind to use the Webway.
XVI Horus Lupercal: Ruled alongside the Emperor.
XVII Lorgar: Been the philosopher he always wanted to be but was never allowed to.
XVIII Vulkan: Mars...?
XX Alpharius Omegon: Worked with Curze in Inquisition? Or maybe handled how news was spread around the Imperium.

Angron, Mortarion and Corax don't really seem to have a place, other than "continue as before"...

Why do people think Mortarion couldn't fit in?

They would all be busy in stomping Orks, Necrons, Tyranids and whatever is find in another galaxy after Emperor opens up an Imperial webway and start his conquest of the universe.

 Manchu wrote:
Why do people think Mortarion couldn't fit in?

Because he leapt at the chance to betray the Emperor, without needing even the vaguest hint of Chaos involved? Much like Angron.

I do think they would all keep fighting, one thing or another. But I guess some of them would be more inclined than others to do non-war related activities.

I Lion El'Jonson: Keep on waring and building forces
II [...]
III Fulgrim: Artist of every kind of artform.
IV Perturabo: Securing conquered worlds with dorn, building fortresses. In this version on good terms with Dorn. (Friendly competition)
V Jaghatai Khan: Hunt aliens and rebels.
VI Leman Russ: Hunting along side the Khan.
VII Rogal Dorn: Se Perturabo
VIII Konrad Curze: Hunt aliens and rebels, but in a more stealth-like fashion, his terror-tactics kept at bay by the big E.
IX Sanguinius: Public Relations
X Ferrus Manus: Building stuff on Mars
XI [...]
XII Angron: Goes insane and commits suicide
XIII Guilliman: Administrator
XV Magnus: Sits upon the Golden Throne, enabling the human webways and teach the high-ranking psykers.
XVI Horus Lupercal: Administrator along side Guilliman
XVII Lorgar: Been the philosopher he always wanted to be but was never allowed to.
XVIII Vulkan: Mars with Manus
XIX Corvus Corax: Fights the aliens along side Khan and the others, teaching those he can his way of war.
XX Alpharius Omegon: Intelligence, internal and external, keeping an eye on everything for the emperor.

(First post here on this site btw!)

Taken over the galaxy and lived in their little apartment building Empy built for them under the Palace.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Why do people think Mortarion couldn't fit in?

Because he leapt at the chance to betray the Emperor

But this is a counterfactual thread. We're talking about a Mortarion who never had the chance to betray the Emperor. Also, we're not talking about him leaping at just any chance. Mortarion's disloyalty to the Emperor was counterbalanced against his loyalty to Horus. Thus, if Horus had not fell, the specific chance Mortarion was so willing to take (and less willingly than you seem to portray it) would not have arisen. I'm not saying his loyalty was by any means ever unquestionable. I just wouldn't lump him in the Angron boat.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Taken over the galaxy and lived in their little apartment building Empy built for them under the Palace.

Yeah, they'd probably all just play 40k in the Emperor's basement.

1 Lion: on patrol to extinguish xenos entirely, if not possible, keep the threat posed by the xenos to a minimum
2 :?
3 Fulgrim: given governship of a segmentum with purpose of designing the best possible government for a galactic empire
4 Perturabo: Tag along with Angron (see below). Otherwise put down this unloyal wolf.
5 Khan: Tag along with the Lion (see above)
6 Leman Russ: Iron Fist of Inquisition, effectively Galactic police force. Otherwise, put down the rabid dog.
7 Dorn: Let play with his Legos... failing that, construction of fortresses along the border of the empire and cities within
8 Curze: Silent Dagger of Inquisition. Otherwise put down the rabid bat.
9 Sanguinus: public relations
10 Manus: either work alongside AdMech or assassinate, his belief in constant competition between factions could prove ultimately detrimental to the Imperium
11 :?
12 Angron: Send to next galaxy to start claiming territory for the Imperium, don't forget to let him take his best buddy along (Perturabo). Otherwise put down this rabid lion.
13 Guilliman: Logistics
14 Mortarion: Tag along with Horus. Otherwise assassinate this unloyal jackal
15 Magnus: Interred on the golden throne for life, duh.
16 Horus: Administration
17 Lorgar: Make him read Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, etc. If views haven't changed, assassinate this blind buffoon. If views have changed, head of the Atheist Church.
18 Vulkan: Mars, give him authority to knock some sense into the AdMech as well. Tech is tech is tech unless warp or AI is involved, then proceed with caution.
19 Corax: Tag along with Khan and Lion
20 Alpharius Omegon: Inquisition pretty much. Ensure loyalty to the Imperium is absolute.

1 - Fighting the Tyranids
2 - Fighting the Tyranids
3 - Fighting the Tyranids
4 - Fighting the Tyranids
5 - Fighting the Tyranids
6 - Fighting the Tyranids
7 - Fighting the Tyranids
8 - Fighting the Tyranids
9 - Fighting the Tyranids
10 - Fighting the Tyranids
11 - Fighting the Tyranids
12 - Fighting the Tyranids
13 - Fighting the Tyranids
14 - Fighting the Tyranids
15 - Fighting the Tyranids
16 - Fighting the Tyranids
17 - Fighting the Tyranids
18 - Fighting the Tyranids
19 - Fighting the Tyranids
20 - Fighting the Tyranids

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:
In a perfect universe...
I Lion El'Jonson: Coordinates all the Imperium's forces against insurrection
II would exist.
III Fulgrim: Creates art in quest for "perfection"
IV Perturabo: Creates bases for defense
V Jaghatai Khan: Would rule over his own segmentum.
VI Leman Russ: Would be poised to remove any single treacherous element. Would, quite wonderfully, be acting opposite the Lion, to act as a check on each others power.
VII Rogal Dorn: Designs great cities for the Imperium/bases for defence.
VIII Konrad Curze: Would never have had such haunting dreams, and would have accepted Dorn's view on human nature, or at least reached a consensus. Perhaps would have run an Inquisition equivalent.
IX Sanguinius: Acted as the "face" of the Imperium, nipping secessionist thoughts in the bud
X Ferrus Manus: Mars
XI wouldn't have disappeared.
XIII Guilliman: General administration of Imperium.
XV Magnus: Allowed Mankind to use the Webway.
XVI Horus Lupercal: Ruled alongside the Emperor.
XVII Lorgar: Been the philosopher he always wanted to be but was never allowed to.
XVIII Vulkan: Mars...?
XX Alpharius Omegon: Worked with Curze in Inquisition? Or maybe handled how news was spread around the Imperium.

Angron, Mortarion and Corax don't really seem to have a place, other than "continue as before"...

with mortarion helping make death worlds less... death-y.

Perturabo and Dorn would probably be erecting fortresses all across the universe trying to outdo each other.

 Viersche wrote:
Perturabo and Dorn would probably be erecting fortresses all across the universe trying to outdo each other.

"erecting fortresses to outdo eachother" hurr

I Lion El'Jonson:gone into seclusion, jealosy eats him every day, finally stepped out and admited that he likes his men little more then platonically
II: ?
III Fulgrim: teaches swordplay and pimps SoB
IV Perturabo: builds sewers in the hive cities; works for Guiliman,doesnt like his boss...
V Jaghatai Khan: bored, mostly hunts stuff
VI Leman Russ: without anything to kill, probably drinks himself to death
VII Rogal Dorn: still the same,works for Guiliman
VIII Konrad Curze: put down
IX Sanguinius:still the same boring angel
X Ferrus Manus: lives on Mars, has his own factory, changed his mind about the "iron" hands
XI: ?
XII Angron: stand up comedy ( like Jake LaMotta, see "Raging bull")
XIII Guilliman: has the biggest company which owns 2/3 of the imperium but still does "logistics" in his spare time
XIV Mortarion: put down
XV Magnus: golden throne living battery, he doesnt like it
XVI Horus: still number 2
XVII Lorgar: philosopher and preecher of the IT
XVIII Vulkan: works for Guiliman
XIX Corvus Corax: heavy depression, leads assasins,has a promo action pay 2 kill 3
XX Alpharius Omegon: because they are the shortest primarch(s),they started to wear high heels(every Alpha has them now)...later killed one another... (or did they?)

 Gul_Tekar wrote:
So, if we imagine that the Emperor's dream had come to fruition, the Great Crusade united all humanity, knowledge of Chaos was stamped out, and Xenos were put on the back foot, what fates might the Primarchs have had?

I Lion El'Jonson: strategy and leading the Imperial war academy. All his clients like him soo much....
II: is known, but without more than myths where to place?
III Fulgrim: art department, Illustrates the Emperors Imperial Victory Blog.
IV Perturabo: ministry of defense... builds all these keeps and fortresses..
V Jaghatai Khan: hunts minor xeno empires like Tau
VI Leman Russ: Chief de cuisine..
VII Rogal Dorn: guards the center of the Galaxy wide Imperium, provides bodyguards for envoys and non-military personnel
VIII Konrad Curze: plays hide and seek with space elves
IX Sanguinius: public relations.
X Ferrus Manus: Keeps the cogboys in check, leads the imperial research.
XI: is known, but without more than myths where to place?
XII Angron: keeps ork waaghs down, per challenge of the bosses..
XIII Guilliman: chief of Imperial Logistics
XIV Mortarion: scythes them tywanids down, keeps the Imperial Lawn clear of bugs..
XV Magnus: Traffic control of the webway, psyker coach, alien artefact analysis.
XVI Horus Lupercal: chief diplomat
XVII Lorgar: Imperial space pope... chief philosopher too..
XVIII Vulkan: reforges the remnants of the Necrons into something useful
XIX Corvus Corax: Recon and assassination
XX Alpharius Omegon: secret service and counter-aggression

I Lion El'Jonson:chasing hot guys
II ?
III Fulgrim: actor and boy band singer
IV Perturabo: Playing 40k Cities of Death games with Dorn
V Jaghatai Khan: bike driver
VI Leman Russ: drinks and has sex. Neato
VII Rogal Dorn: Playing 40k Cities of Death games with Perturado
VIII Konrad Curze: Acting scary in horror movies
IX Sanguinius: flying round in space, doing stuff an all, ya know.. Some propaganda and all.
X Ferrus Manus: is doing Omnisiah stuff
XI: ?
XII Angron: replaces Chuck Norris as actor
XIII Guilliman: galaxy's best economy guy
XIV Mortarion: in a lab researching virusses
XV Magnus: golden throne machine
XVI trying to impress big E
XVII Lorgar: philosopher
XVIII Vulkan: On Mars, making flaming hot music.
XIX Corvus Corax: yeah. No idea.
XX Alpharius Omegon: Inquisition.

I: Lion El' Johnson: Becomes a galactic big game hunter much as he was in his youth on Caliban.
II. Data missing.
III. Fulgrimm: Peacekeeper and Ambassador for the Emperor and also becomes one of the most renown artist in the Imperium.
IV. Petuarbo: Follows his dreams of creating wondrous cities on many planets of the Imperium.
V. Jagathai Khan: He and his legion become the boarder protectors of the Imperium watching for unknown threats.
VI. Leman Russ: He and the Wolves join Khan and the Scars as boarder protectors. (always hungry for action)
VII. Rogal Dorn: Rogal Dorn has a healthy rivalry with Petuarbo to build ever more grand cities.
VII. Konrad Curze: The Emperor tries but cannot help Curze and eventually he goes insane and is given the Emperors mercy.
IX. Sanguinius: Stands at the Emperors side on Terra as an adviser and confidant.
X: Ferrus Mannus: He and his legion go about collaborating with the adepts of mars and increase the technology ten fold.
XI. Data missing.
XII. Angron: The butchers nail eventually destroy his brain and he dies on his own from massive hemorrhaging
XIII. Robute Guilliman: He rules over the realm of Ultramar and is as well as Sanguinius is one of the Emperors Advisers.
XIV. Mortarion: Become an undertaker of sorts as his legion is responsible for overseeing cemetery worlds in the Imperium.
XV. Magnus: On Terra harnessing the power of the empyrean for the good of mankind under the tutelage of the Emperor.
XVI. Horus: Still Warmaster but it is more of an honorary title his legion act to deter rebellion and keep the peace.
XVII. Lorgar: Become a great philosopher and discovers the gods of the warp but does not fall victim to their empty promises and detests them.
XVII. Vulkan: Joins Manus in his work to further the technology of the Imperium and builds his own forge on Mars.
XIX. Corax: He becomes an revered writer writing many lauded books.
XX: Alparius Omegon: Go around the Imperium as ghosts watching for sedition and the threat rebellion just for good measure.

I wouldn't call a universe dominated by a faschist human empire dedicated to kill all other life forms perfect

 Kroothawk wrote:
I wouldn't call a universe dominated by a faschist human empire dedicated to kill all other life forms perfect

HERESY
*BLAM*