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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 04:15:27
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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This came up in a recent game .There was a squad behind a large LOS blocking wall who was charged by another unit that they could only see one model of.
the question that came up is, does the unit charging take Wall of death wounds on the models that of out of LOS. WOD seemed to ignore some of the over watch restrictions but we weren't sure if it ignores the out of sight rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 04:45:35
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Except the unit that was assaulting was not out of Line of Sight.
"If no models in the firing unit can see a particular model, then Wounds cannot be allocated to it"P. 16 BRB
They can die to the flamer just fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 04:56:57
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Tilter at Windmills
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Page 13 wrote:WHICH MODELS CAN FIRE?
Any model that is found to be in range of at least one visible enemy model in the target unit can fire.
The Wall of Death rules (p52) state that you don't place the template to determine range/number of models hit, but they don't exempt the firing model from needing LOS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 05:08:42
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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DeathReaper wrote:Except the unit that was assaulting was not out of Line of Sight.
"If no models in the firing unit can see a particular model, then Wounds cannot be allocated to it"P. 16 BRB
They can die to the flamer just fine.
This is correct, I think the OP has worded his question a bit poorly though and feel this could stand to be expanded on.
What matters isn't if the charging unit can see the model with the flamer, what matters is if any model in the unit being charged can see the charging model in question, so long as any single person in that unit can see the charging model, that charging model can take wounds, even from the flamers which perhaps can't draw line of sight themselves.
Of course this means, if only one model in the charging unit is visible to the charged unit, then overwatch fire could only hurt that single visible model as OP suggests it might.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 05:23:14
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Tilter at Windmills
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I disagree. Check out page 13 again, including the diagram. Each firing model must have LOS in order to fire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 05:42:27
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Hmmm, I see your point now, It looks like I have been playing the game incorrectly, I had assumed a "visible enemy model" was simply one who could be seen by any model in the firing unit, because that is the standard for applying wounds.
But if that were the case the bottom most ork would have provided sufficient "visibility" to allow the top most ork to fire, so it seems you are correct, if the models with the flamer cannot themselves draw LOS to the charging unit, they cannot fire to inflict their Wall of Death damage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 11:09:54
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Not sure why we got on the whether flamers can draw line of sight on the one visible model tangent. All the OP needed to know was if flamers ignored Out of Sight which they do not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 17:58:04
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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As an expansion of this question, what happens if that one model that had line of sight in the charging unit dies to the overwatch fire? I would assume that the charge then immediately fails since the charging unit can no longer see the unit they wish to charge and so can't meet the requirements for a charge anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/19 18:08:21
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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Nope. LOS is required for the charge to be declared, but by the time you resolve Overwatch, you've already declared the charge.
Note that you roll for charge distance after Overwatch, though, so Overwatch fire can certainly foil a charge by increasing the distance needed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/20 02:10:23
Subject: Re:Wall of death and line of sight
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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I thought I was right but my opponent disagreed .He made some argument that made sense( cant remember what) .If my question was poorly worded ill draw a picture of what i was talking about.
F=flamer
X=wall
u=unit
FFF
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U U U
F can only see one model from U if he dies what happens to the extra WOD/overwatch wounds
hope that cleared things up
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/20 02:33:49
Subject: Wall of death and line of sight
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Per normal wound allocations, they would be lost.
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