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Just been lookign through the Necron FAQ and it seems to contradict itself regarding res orbs on atatched characters if a unit gets wiped out.


First up:

Page 82 – Necron Wargear, Resurrection Orb.
Add the following sentence at the end of the second
paragraph: “The effect of the resurrection orb applies until the
Ever-living counter of the bearer is removed by a failed
Reanimation Protocols roll (so roll for the bearer’s counter
last!).

---so, a unit of 10 warriors and a lord with orb get blasted. According to this, the res orb is still active even if the lord is "down". So i codul roll a 4+ for every other model, followed by the Lord itself and brign the unit back to life.

but later on in the same FAQ:


Q: If an entire unit, including an attached character from a Royal
Court, is wiped out, do you get to make any Reanimation Protocol
rolls? (p29)
A: You would only get to make one roll for the attached
character as he has the Ever-living special rule. Note that in this
case, he must be placed within 3" of the counter as his unit has
been wiped out.




Am i being stupid?

In a word? yep, sorry.

The reanimation protocols specifically mentions that models with the 'character' type (ie: any necron model with the everliving USR) cannot be used when checking if there is an alive (aka, not reanimated during the phase in which your scenario takes place) model in the unit for the purposes of other models' reanimation protocols.

In other words: If the entire unit dies in your scenario you'd get a 4+ roll, but only on the lord itself (and any other models with everliving in the unit). You'd never get to roll for any of the warriors' RP tokens, since they'd all be removed as result of not having any living models left in the unit (that qualify for the check) at the time you'd roll for it.


Lets modify that slightly and say one of the warriors was still around to fulfill the requirements for the reanimation protocols of the rest.

Scenario A (100% chance) - Roll for your lord last:
roll a 4+ RP for all of the dead warriors; (and a 4+ EL roll for the lord)

Scenario B - 1 (50% chance) - Roll for your lord first:
(and roll the 4+ EL roll for the lord successfully); roll a 4+ RP for all of the dead warriors.

Scenario B - 2 (50% chance) - Roll for your lord first:
(and fail the 4+ EL roll for the lord); roll a 5+ RP for all of the dead warriors.

You can see hopefully how scenario A results in greater odds of your entire unit getting it's 4+ RP/EL saves from the res orb; and follows the advice given in the FAQ entries you've posted too.

No need to apologise - i assumed i was reading it wrong. I just wanted confirmation of my own inadequacy from an independant source.

It's all good, took me a good while to get my head around it too.

I recommend using different glass beads or somesuch to differentiate between everliving and reanimation protocol tokens and leaving your EL tokens for the very last each time you roll for any of them.

I just go by putting my models on the side. Old habits die hard...

copper.talos wrote:
I just go by putting my models on the side. Old habits die hard...

HA! Same here. Lets not even get into how long it took for me to stop getting anxious about phase out during games.

copper.talos wrote:
I just go by putting my models on the side. Old habits die hard...

Same here. Surely a model on its side is as good as a separate counter anyway.

 Praxiss wrote:

copper.talos wrote:
I just go by putting my models on the side. Old habits die hard...

Same here. Surely a model on its side is as good as a separate counter anyway.

TFGs have put models on their side and then picked them up to instead of just flipping them verticle again, when they put them down they gained an inch or so in additional movement.
Not saying everyone who flips the model onto it's side does this just a reason why some people prefer counters.

The models that come back don't have to be placed where they died. So gaining some movement is 100% legal. Models put on their side are just a reminder of the number of RP rolls you have to make.

i think they need to be laced within 3" of where they died, so if they are only being moved 1" then they're actually being nice to you.

Oh, for some reason I thought it was just the everliving that got 3". Silly me.

It's 3" when a character comes back alone. If normal RP models come back they are placed in coherency with their original unit. So 1" is still being nice.

Yup, you can put the reanimated models anywhere within coherancy of a model of the same unit that did not 'die' that turn as long as it's at least 1" away from any enemy unit. So you can end up putting the model up to 2" in any direction from the original unit but not any more than that.

Still, multiple 2" additions can add up if you end up having to roll a lot of saves with them in subsequent phases. The 3" away from the counter' is only for Everliving tokens, and then only if the original unit that the model was a part of was entirely wiped out. (or nonexistant, like with a lone IC)

Yea i had to deal with this not too long ago. One of our necron players is a newbie WAAC type so any rule he thinks he knows hes ironclad on whether hes right or not. We had to basically type out a whole report to get him to stop about us not letting him revive a whole unit due to his boss being allowed to revive.