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Now, I have a second army for this thread. An Imperial Guard list allied with Grey Knights. The strategy revolves around setting up an IG gun line, while deep-striking GK terminators and IG stormtroopers into the middle of the enemy force, causing as much butthurt as possible. A sound strategy on paper, and I have the appropriate models, but I have yet to test this army on the battlefield. Call it cheese, if you'd like, but I think it can be countered fine.

Imperial Guard(59 Models):
HQ:

Company Command Squad
95 points with the following upgrades:
Medi-Pack, Regimental Standard

Troops:

Veteran Squad 1
100 points with the following upgrades:
Heavy Flamer, 2 Flamers

Veteran Squad 2
100 points with the following upgrades:
3 Meltaguns

Veteran Squad 3
100 points with the following upgrades:
3 Meltaguns

Elites:

Ratling Squad
30 points

Storm Trooper Squad 1
105 points with the following upgrades:
2 Meltaguns
(Deep Striking)

Storm Trooper Squad 2
105 points with the following upgrades:
2 Meltaguns
(Deep Striking)

Storm Trooper Squad 3
105 points with the following upgrades:
2 Meltaguns
(Deep Striking)

Heavy Support:

Leeman Russ Squad
510 points with the following upgrades:
3 Leeman Russ Battle Tanks, 3 Meltagun Sponson Upgrades

Fast Attack:

Vendetta Gunship
130 points



Gray Knights(17 Models):
HQ:

Grand Master Mordrak
200 points
(Accompanying Terminators)
(Deep Striking)

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor
168 points with the following upgrades:
Power Armor, 3 Mystics, 7 Warrior Acolytes(Equipped with Power Armor and Bolters)

Troops:

Gray Knight Terminators
245 points with the following upgrades:
4 Nemesis Falchions, Brotherhood Banner
(Accompanied by Grand Master Mordak)
(Deep Striking)



So there it is, my IG/GK allied force built around killing space marines, and they fight for the Greater Good.
Go Tau.

Since Grand Master Mordak grants the unit he is accompanying a guaranteed deep strike that automatically hits exactly where you aim it, he is perfect for accompanying a Terminator spearhead deep strike. I use the Mystics to guarantee successful deep strikes with my Storm Troopers, and the Warrior Acolytes as makeshift space marines. I form a triangular formation with my veterans, placing the flamer squad in the front. The Vendetta hunts down any major armored enemies, and the Leeman Russ squad rains pain upon the survivors.

Any advice, criticisms or warnings you may have, are all welcome.

Few things to think about


1) Veterans are not in big units and are only t3 with a 5+. You will probably want chimeras or some other ride for them. If you want to go guard on foot, you need the larger units that platoons give you.



2) Mordrak is NOT an IC. He cannot join the terminators. He can only go with his Ghost buddies and any IC that join his unit.



3) What is your inquisitor doing for your list? Consider a Terminator Inquisitor with a Psycannon and Divination. He can join Mordrak's unit and add a psycannon and a re-roll to hit to it.

Also, Allies can only have 1 HQ not 2.

If you want more info on henchmen and some good builds for a henchmen unit, look at the articles in my signature.




Overall the list looks a bit odd.

Mordrak only fits in a very specific list (usually known as "Shunt Punch") You use Grand Strategy, and Fast GK unit to put a lot of threats in their face turn 1. If you only DS 1 unit on turn 1, it will be focused and taken out before it can do anything.

Diluting a Mordrak list with Guard models is not terribly helpful. There is little that the guard add to your first turn threat overload. (drop pod marines make a good ally for a Shunt Punch list)

With so few GK units, you are not able to make good use of Grand Strategy, which is one of the biggest reasons for taking Mordrak or a Grand Master

I think you have 4 IG elites, 3 Storms plus Ratlings. Am I missing something?

18th Krasnograd wrote:
I think you have 4 IG elites, 3 Storms plus Ratlings. Am I missing something?

2k does give you access to the double force organization chart, BUT that means you MUST take 2 HQ and 4 Troops (from the guard part of your list, not the GK part).

Also your GK allies can only take 1 HQ choice.



I think your list needs to go back to the drawing board as it is illegal in a number of ways and the 2 halves of it are not working together well.

Okay, thanks for the feedback. This helps a lot with building this allied force. I'm new with allies and Gray Knights, so bear with me. I'm fairly certain that Mordrak can accompany a unit of terminators, a little insight would be appreciated. This is the first draft of the list, so I expected something wrong with it. I also wanted a support Henchman unit, helping out the army as a whole(Helping the deep strike, protecting the gun line). I'll take a look at those articles.

2k also gives you one more ally chart so he could take 2 hq if he has 2 troops for gk

 A GumyBear wrote:
2k also gives you one more ally chart so he could take 2 hq if he has 2 troops for gk

This helps a lot. Those Mystics are needed to make sure my Stormtroopers don't scatter. Perhaps, I could get another Terminator squad? It's another 245 points, but I can cut back a veteran and a Russ.

i think you are focusing too much on the GK and they are sucking up too many points from the bulk of your list you shoud not need to take double allies of GK when your guard can do just as good without them if not better

also mordrack is not a an IC so he cant join units he can only be in a squad with his ghost knights and an IC that chooses to join the ghost knights

 A GumyBear wrote:
i think you are focusing too much on the GK and they are sucking up too many points from the bulk of your list you shoud not need to take double allies of GK when your guard can do just as good without them if not better

also mordrack is not a an IC so he cant join units he can only be in a squad with his ghost knights and an IC that chooses to join the ghost knights

Huh, because one of his rule (First into the fray) states that whatever unit he accompanies gets to deep strike first turn, without fail.

Well, I'm not going for a third army, that's for sure. Before I make this list I planned on spending a maximum of 700 points on GK, just to make sure my IG gun line won't be made of paper.

get more russ if you dont want paper gunlines

Mordrak is not an Independent Character, thus he cannot join another unit. However he can be "Accompanied" by his retinue of Ghost Knights and and IC's that join that unit.




Second: GK have no allies that are Battle Brothers. Therefore they will always count as enemy models to your IG. Mystics do not reduce the scatter of "enemy" models. They will not reduce the scatter or your storm troopers.



Third: In games of 2K points or higher, you may double the force org of your "Primary Detachment". You may only ever have 1 "Allied Detachment"

Few points for your IG side. For something thats anti marine I'd drop a few things; medikit on CCS, replace heavy flamer with normal flamer on vets, and take no sponsons on LRBT. This would give you about 120 something points. The medikits over priced and wont help that much for such a small squad, heavy flamers over priced, and the sponsons would be often snapfiring with the ordnance battle cannon. Then take a couple of chimeras for your melta vets. Also I dont think that 3 ratlings would help at all, I assume its for trying to get a unit pinned but against marines, its unlikely to work with only 3 snipers.
I know naught about GK so will leave that for someone else.

rahxephon wrote:Few points for your IG side. For something thats anti marine I'd drop a few things; medikit on CCS, replace heavy flamer with normal flamer on vets, and take no sponsons on LRBT. This would give you about 120 something points. The medikits over priced and wont help that much for such a small squad, heavy flamers over priced, and the sponsons would be often snapfiring with the ordnance battle cannon. Then take a couple of chimeras for your melta vets. Also I dont think that 3 ratlings would help at all, I assume its for trying to get a unit pinned but against marines, its unlikely to work with only 3 snipers.
I know naught about GK so will leave that for someone else.

svendrex wrote:Mordrak is not an Independent Character, thus he cannot join another unit. However he can be "Accompanied" by his retinue of Ghost Knights and and IC's that join that unit.




Second: GK have no allies that are Battle Brothers. Therefore they will always count as enemy models to your IG. Mystics do not reduce the scatter of "enemy" models. They will not reduce the scatter or your storm troopers.



Third: In games of 2K points or higher, you may double the force org of your "Primary Detachment". You may only ever have 1 "Allied Detachment"

A GumyBear wrote:get more russ if you dont want paper gunlines

Thanks, and I'm working on a modified version of the list. Taking out the Ratlings, Sponsons, Heavy Flamer and Medkit, as recommended. I'm also fixing the legality with the Gray Knights, and cutting back on Warrior Acolytes so I can get another Leeman Russ in there. I may just remove Morodak altogether, in order to get my fifth Leeman on the field. After that, I can't get anymore, because that's my last Leeman model. As for the Chimeras, I may find an area to drop 110 points to service two unupgraded ones. Advice?