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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/25 21:55:16
	  
	    Subject: 600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									Im doing a tournament next year doubles and it is 1200 points > 600 each, what do people think of this list,
  
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  Vet squad, 
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  Ordanance battery, collosus, griffon
  
  Manticore
  
  Aegis defence line.
  
  The idea is to use the griffon accurate bombardment rule for the collosus, my friends half he is taking is grey knights with coteaz chimera's, psyker battle squad, henchmen with meltas etc, i will be the fire support while he will be mid table to capture objectives.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/25 22:20:41
	  
	    Subject: 600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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                            Rough Rider with Boomstick
	 
 
 
	
	
	 
	
 
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									the accurate rule only works fir the griffin........ it does not transfer
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/25 23:10:23
	  
	    Subject: 600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									actually if you scrutinize the section on 'multiple-barrage' it is possible to fire the 'accurate' griffon first  (as long as it is the closest model to the target) and fire the Col as per multiple-barrage.
  
  A very expensive way to get a scatter re-roll though. I'd be more tempted to just take 3 griffins at this points level.
  
  Opens up points for more dakka elsewhere too.
  
  Other than that. I like you choices
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/26 05:37:25
	  
	    Subject: Re:600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									Yeah I wouldn't use the griffon as a scatter reroll for just one colossus. What I'd do is drop the manticore and colossus and take 3 griffons. Then they can combine with your allies PBS to try and get some units pinned. I cant see the manticore S10 being that necessary at this points level and its only ap4 like the griffon. 
  With the 75pts remaining you could either take another griffon or and quad gun plus an autocannon for each of your vets. They that would put you in a position where you can deal to pretty much any infantry effectively and then your ally could specialize in fighting MEQs if hes grey knights.
  Also just mentioning that the PBS cant use their powers from a chimera any more from the last FAQ.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/26 21:52:08
	  
	    Subject: Re:600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									i can see why you would do that but i believe that it is worth it, at two 600 point forces, you get the accurate bombardment the collosus is ap3, marine killer, also with the manticore D3 barrage, that is 6 large blast templates a turn, which could take out a 600 point force out in one turn near enuf, remember most players will be trying to get a balance between there forces, so 99% of the time one half gone means the other half will struggle to operate overall on the battlefield and vice versa, with 3 griffons you are gona fire in four turns a maximum of 12 shots, with a griffon, collosus and a manticore, in four turns you are gona fire minimum of 12 shots with the potential to fire a maximum of 20 large blast templates, with 3 griffons marines get there save, while the collosus gives no save there is gona be a higher rate of killing going on.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/26 23:30:52
	  
	    Subject: 600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									You're spending waaay to many points on two AV12 vehicles. Arty is great, but you have little AT and even less AA (no quad gun on the ADL, right?). Even worse, your Vets don't have transports or enough bodies to keep them safe on the hunt for objectives (except the home objective, which you're probably guarding with the ADL), which could be disastrous. One outflanking/deep striking enemy unit or a flier could quickly destroy the point sinks and seriously cut your firepower-you have no redundancy, which, contrary to your assumption, most tournament lists do have. I would save the expensive arty for higher point games. Instead, I'd put special weapons on those Vets and stick them in Chimeras.
  
  BTW, I don't see where you're getting 6 large blasts a turn. 1 for the Griffon, 1 for the Colossus, 1-3 for the Manticore, for 3-5 blasts per turn. Am I missing something?
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/27 00:06:12
	  
	    Subject: 600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									manticore has the chance to fire upto 3 shots per turn (rolls a D3) but can only fire 4 times.    i have to say this isn't a great list sorry :(    no anti-flyer and if you are going to a tourney well then you will get destroyed.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/27 00:56:47
	  
	    Subject: Re:600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									im getting the 6 from the +1 from the psyker battle squad my friend is running what you forget aswell is deepstrikers etc wont matter my friend has coteaz so not worrying about deepstriking/outflank, as for the aegis defence line yes kno anti-flyer i may choose to take out the manticore for another collosus and add in the icarus lascannon, you are intitled to your opinion but i believe this list will obliterate, it would be better if you could see what my friend is taking,
  
  Is this any better,
  
  CCS 50
  
  Vet squad 70
  Vet squad 70
  
  Griffon 75
  Basilisk 125
  Basilisk 125
  
  aegis defence line, icarus lascannon 85
  
  600 points exactly.
  
  
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/27 00:58:14
	  
	    Subject: 600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									a single lacannon will not obliterate...
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/27 01:22:05
	  
	    Subject: Re:600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									CCS 50
  
  Vet squad
  autocannon 80
  Vet squad
  autocannon 80
  
  Griffon 75
  Griffon 75
  Collosus 140
  
  aegis defence line, quad gun 100
  
  600 points, better?
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/27 02:23:27
	  
	    Subject: 600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									No, because it's over 600 pts. Check the points cost of the CCS.
  
  I'd ditch the Vox network and get another AC in there.
  
  Together, these two adjustments should get you down to 600 pts.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/27 02:34:52
	  
	    Subject: Re:600 point guard army for tournament. 
	
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									yes you are right i just did that by mistake i have made the adjustments above.
  
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/12/27 02:58:15
	  
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									IMHO Daemonic_soul1990's list is pretty damned close to what I would take, except that I would take another Griff instead of the Basilisk because in my experience without at least three vets with the CCS they will die pretty easy from Jump Infantry or Elite teleporters (their damned humies after all, aren't they) and with 55 points left, and Harkers pretty damned good at killing things or you could grab Carapace on the CCS or drop some points and get another squad of Vets.
							 
							
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