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Hi guys heres the list, can you give me any ideas on how to beat this list with eldar or marines and what strengths/weaknesses/problems it has?

Libarian
Force axe
100pts
Librarian
Force axe
100pts
Libarian
Force axe
100pts
Honour guard
Blood Champion
Powerfist
Power axe
2 Plasma guns
205pts
Rhino
50pts
Mephiston
250pts
Elites
(3 sanguinary priests inc Corbulo = 1 elites slot)
Brother Corbulo
105pts
Sanguinary Priest
Jump Pack
Power axe
Melta Bombs
95pts
Sanguinary Priest
Jump pack
Power axe
Melta Bombs
95pts
Sanguinary Priest
Power axe
65pts
Sanguinary Priest
50pts
Sanguinary Priest
50pts
7 Sternguard
7 Combi-Plasma
210pts
Drop Pod
Deathwind Missile Launcher
55pts
Sanguinary Guard
Power Fist
Chapter Banner
240pts
Assault Terminators
Sergeant with lightening claws
4* Thunder hammer + Storm Shield
220pts
Assault Terminators
Sergeant with lightening claws
4* Thunder hammer + Storm Shield
220pts
Land Raider Crusader
Multi Melta
260pts
Troops
Lemartes
150pts
10 Death Company
2 Power fists
400pts
Death Company Dreadnought
Blood Talons
125pts
Death Company Dreadnought
Blood Talons
125pts
Assault Squad
Power axe
Melta bombs
120pts
Assault Squad
Power axe
Melta bombs
120pts
Fast Attack
8 Vanguard
3 Powerfists
1 Power axe
250pts
Landraider
Multi Melta
260pts
Heavy Support
Storm Raven
Twin linked Lascannon
Multi Melta
200pts
Storm Raven
Twin Linked Lascannon
Multi Melta
200pts
Vindicator
145pts
Vindicator
145pts
Vindicator
145pts
Vindicator
145pts

First weakness: its BA in 6th edition.

Second weakness: this list's ranged firepower sucks for 5K.

Third weakness: not enough AA for 5K. IG vendetta spam lists have 4 or 5 at 2K

Fourth weakness: A tiny amount of scoring troops for 5K. This reason is why DC should be treated as elites, not troops. They do not fulfill the function of troops; they are not troops.

How to win: the most trivial way is shoot their troops off the table and win on objectives. Use your bright lances/lascannons to take out the vindicators before they can do much damage. Disable the land raiders with melta and charge the DC or give them a sacrificial unit and then charge them. The DC suck if they don't charge. If Eldar, bring runes of warding and watch the libbys' heads explode.

Cheers Martel, the list I'm using is quite weak as I'm pretty much using everything I own. Any tips would be great, here it is:

Eldrad
Farseer with guide, fortune, spirit stones, runes and mindwar
Karandras
Avatar
Dire avengers exarch, duel cats bladestorm x10
Guardians sl x10
Guardians sl x10
Pathfinders x5
Dire avengers x5
Fire dragons x6
Fire dragons x6
Striking scorpions x6
Warp spiders x5

Wraithlord eml/bl
Wraithlord eml/bl
Wraithlord ws/sc
3 war walkers sc
Fire prism
Wave serpent shc/sc
Wave serpent sl/sc

Captain with sb/mb/rb
Chapter master with sb/rb/mb
Command squad with meltas
Tactical squad plasma gun/multi melta
Tac squad pg/mm
Tac squad pg/pc
Scouts with snipers
Terminators with ac
Dreadnought
Drop pod
Razor back with lc
Landraider redeemer with mm
Wraithguard x 10
2 warlocks with destructor



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Any tips? A fresh perspective would be welcome.

Well. If you can switch out some weapons, it would be good. You really need to kill the vindicators with lances and lascannons or MM on vehicles with jink save.

A guided warwalker team will cripple a marine squad every turn. Kepe them alive if you can. His ranged firepower sucks, so maybe you can.

Use fire dragons in wave serpents as a fire brigade. If he deep strikes, melt them in the face before he gets to assault.

Cheers martel, your a quality source of tactical prowess! I was gonna use the fragons in serpents to push up and go for the vindis but i like your idea better! I'll try to get some more lances on my serpents and maybe on the wraith. If you get a chance it would be great if you could help me with a couple if queries.
1. Do you think the star cannon load out on the walkers is worth it?
2. Do you think my list has a decent chance considering i've really scraped the barrel?
3. Would pushing forward with a wraithguard/eldrad/karandras/lord and avatar death star be worthwhile or should i hold back/ split them up etc...

Cheers dude, friended!

1) In general, scatterlasers are better than starcannons. If your opponent has any kind of cover, or say a storm shield, the double rate of fire is much better. Starcannons big trick in 5th wsa ignoring FNP, but they don't do that anymore.

2) I think you've got a shot because his list has a lot of wasted points, imo. They key will be take out the vindicators and put his assault terminators on foot. This means his LR must die. If you lances are busy with the vindicators, its time to use melta.

The other big concern is the 35? jump pack models he's got. Out of these, only 15 are super duper scary, the DC and the sanguinary guard.

3) Against that kind of BA list, I wouldn't push anywhere until his mobility is crippled. I looked at it again and his actual model count for 5K is pretty low. If anything, I would back away my mobile elements. Try to move the wraithguard such that a juicy jumper list lands in the "dead zone" of 10-15" away. Then, on your turn, you can move and blast him with wraith cannons.

Sadly, against this kind of list, you really want 9X dual scatter laser war walkers. This is especially good at punishing spess mahreens that don't ride metal bawkses. Double check to see if guide functions on overwatch. If not, consider giving one of your psykers divination. At 5K, more farseers would be nice but I know you are limited.