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I know from Horus Heresy books that Lorgar became Daemon Prince on Cadia, so that would probably imply that back then Cadia was either an ordinary world or it was not settled at all ( I don;t know much about that part ). So my question is when were Cadian Shock Troops official formed and when did they gain their reputation that they are "the best Imperium has to offer short of Astartes themselves"?

I am also interested is there is also any information on when were other famous Regiments formed, like Elysians, Preatorians, Mordians, Valhallans, Catachans, Vostroyans. I only know that the Steel Legion was formed shortly/during the 2'nd Armageddon war and that Krieg was formed after Krieg civil war that ended at the beginning of M40.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:So my question is when were Cadian Shock Troops official formed [...]

I don't recall any specific date being mentioned, but the Codex Eye of Terror did indeed mention that Cadia had once been purged of its native inhabitants for being under the influence of Chaos, and then settled anew by the Imperium. Today's Cadians have again started to be born with purple eyes, which used to be an identifying feature of the original population. Classic GW foreshadowing.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:[...] and when did they gain their reputation that they are "the best Imperium has to offer short of Astartes themselves"?

They aren't.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:I am also interested is there is also any information on when were other famous Regiments formed, like Elysians, Preatorians, Mordians, Valhallans, Catachans, Vostroyans. I only know that the Steel Legion was formed shortly/during the 2'nd Armageddon war and that Krieg was formed after Krieg civil war that ended at the beginning of M40.

I recommend the 2E and 5E Guard Codex for some fluff on that. For the vast majority, I do not recall are any dates ever provided, but I think Valhallans and Vostroyans could be narrowed down based on their background (the wars against the Orcs on Valhalla, and the Vostroyan's debt).

Before colonization, Cadia was home to a human civilization that worshipped Chaos. Lorgar was turned to Chaos then. The civilization was then destroyed from orbital bombardment, and in the 32nd millennium, it was resettled to counter the 1st B;ack Crusade.

It only really started becoming a true military world for the 2nd Black Crusade, so it was probably around then Cadian Shock Troopers became a thing.

Vostroyan First-Born became a thing after the HH, as an act of penance for not sending troops during the Heresy.

Not many really started for a big reason though, or have marked dates of first founding.

 Lynata wrote:

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:[...] and when did they gain their reputation that they are "the best Imperium has to offer short of Astartes themselves"?

They aren't.

They're well-known for their self-sacrifice, their discipline, and their marksmanship, and the fact that their entire world is completely militarized. So other regimens are inspired by them. They aren't viewed as close to Astartes, their just the iconic "brave Guardsman constantly holding the line"

Thanks for the info Lynata, I will certainly look into it. But I disagree on this:

 Lynata wrote:

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:[...] and when did they gain their reputation that they are "the best Imperium has to offer short of Astartes themselves"?

They aren't.

3'rd edition IG codex: "The Cadians are widely regarded as some of the best troops in the Imperium, short of the Space Marines themselves."
5'th edition IG codex: "They are some of the finest troops in the Imperial Guard."

While I consider Krieg and Inquisitorial stormtrooper t obe in pair/superious to them I find Cadian Kasrkins to be most elite of Human military.

Elector wrote:They're well-known for their self-sacrifice, their discipline, and their marksmanship, and the fact that their entire world is completely militarized. So other regimens are inspired by them. They aren't viewed as close to Astartes, their just the iconic "brave Guardsman constantly holding the line"

That I know and support, it's just that there are other Imperial military arms closer to the Space Marines, as much as parts of the fanbase ignore them.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:3'rd edition IG codex: "The Cadians are widely regarded as some of the best troops in the Imperium, short of the Space Marines themselves."
5'th edition IG codex: "They are some of the finest troops in the Imperial Guard."
While I consider Krieg and Inquisitorial stormtrooper t obe in pair/superious to them I find Cadian Kasrkins to be most elite of Human military.

Ahh. See, the difference between fluff statements about being "regarded as some of the best" and your opinion about "being the best" is small, but important.

For what it's worth, I'm not even sure you can actually compare them. The Space Marines would fail miserably at the kind of large scale warfare that the Cadians often conduct, whereas the Cadian Kasrkin cannot compete with Tactical Marines dropping into a hot zone. For the latter, it's not even as much a question of skill, but rather that they don't have the equipment, whereas for the former the Marines don't have the numbers. Both armies are specialised in different ways, for different tactics and strategies. There is a certain overlap in the Kasrkin, but then again, this is also shared by the Schola Progenium's Storm Trooper regiment.

I'm confused as to how you think that Krieg and ISTs are on par or superior and then say that Cadians are still more elite. Isn't that a bit contradictory, or are you appling further requirements for this status other than battlefield performance?

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
I know from Horus Heresy books that Lorgar became Daemon Prince on Cadia, so that would probably imply that back then Cadia was either an ordinary world or it was not settled at all ( I don;t know much about that part ). So my question is when were Cadian Shock Troops official formed and when did they gain their reputation that they are "the best Imperium has to offer short of Astartes themselves"?

I am also interested is there is also any information on when were other famous Regiments formed, like Elysians, Preatorians, Mordians, Valhallans, Catachans, Vostroyans. I only know that the Steel Legion was formed shortly/during the 2'nd Armageddon war and that Krieg was formed after Krieg civil war that ended at the beginning of M40.

The quote about the Cadians wasn't them being the best the IOM has to offer. It was actually: "The Cadian Shock Troopers has the shortest response-time short of the Space Marines." If memory serves I might add, but I believe it to be about 90% right.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Thanks for the info Lynata, I will certainly look into it. But I disagree on this:

 Lynata wrote:

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:[...] and when did they gain their reputation that they are "the best Imperium has to offer short of Astartes themselves"?

They aren't.

3'rd edition IG codex: "The Cadians are widely regarded as some of the best troops in the Imperium, short of the Space Marines themselves."
5'th edition IG codex: "They are some of the finest troops in the Imperial Guard."

While I consider Krieg and Inquisitorial stormtrooper t obe in pair/superious to them I find Cadian Kasrkins to be most elite of Human military.

The keywords I'm highlighting are "widely regarded as" - this is not much a statement of fact so much as a statement of opinion. I could say that I like cheese, but you could say that you dislike cheese. See where I'm going with this drift? Regarding the second point, I have no doubt that they are amongst the best, but within the IG. That... Tends to happen when you live on a militarized planet right next to the door to hell itself that gets invaded for gaks and giggles every now and then by Abaddon.

But as Lynata also mentioned, it's comparing apples to oranges when it comes to battlefield roles.

 Lynata wrote:

I'm confused as to how you think that Krieg and ISTs are on par or superior and then say that Cadians are still more elite. Isn't that a bit contradictory, or are you appling further requirements for this status other than battlefield performance?

I didn't state myself right. I meant this:

Krieg Guardsmen = Cadian Guardsmen.
Krieg Stormtrooper/Inquisitorial Stormtrooper > Cadian Guardsmen.
Cadian Kasrkin > Krieg Stormtrooper/Inquisitorial Stormtrooper

When I said "elite of Human military" I didn't include Space Marines there ( because they are super-humans, not much point in doing that ).

Krieg had normal tithes before the civil war, I guess they were just a planet like many others, then the war happened and 500 years later they now produced the finest lemmings known in this galaxy.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:I didn't state myself right. I meant this:
Krieg Guardsmen = Cadian Guardsmen.
Krieg Stormtrooper/Inquisitorial Stormtrooper > Cadian Guardsmen.
Cadian Kasrkin > Krieg Stormtrooper/Inquisitorial Stormtrooper

Ah! I think in retrospect, I should've gotten that from the context. Sorry about that, slow brain today.

I definitively don't agree about Storm Troopers being "just on par" with ordinary Cadian Guardsmen, as even just looking at the TT stats show the difference (with Kasrkin basically being a copy of the Storm Troopers) - but like most of the time, this is also a matter of personal interpretation, especially since we'd have to take into account that not all ISTs (unlike the "real" STs) are recruited out of the Schola Progenium but also from places that may supply less intensely drilled troops. There's a big difference between being raised into this role right up from childhood or "just" being recruited out of a family with a history of service, after all.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:When I said "elite of Human military" I didn't include Space Marines there ( because they are super-humans, not much point in doing that ).

Yet it's not the Cadians which are called in when a Marine Chapter goes rogue, but another elite human military force.

 Lynata wrote:

I definitively don't agree about Storm Troopers being "just on par" with ordinary Cadian Guardsmen, as even just looking at the TT stats show the difference (with Kasrkin basically being a copy of the Storm Troopers) - but like most of the time, this is also a matter of personal interpretation, especially since we'd have to take into account that not all ISTs (unlike the "real" STs) are recruited out of the Schola Progenium but also from places that may supply less intensely drilled troops. There's a big difference between being raised into this role right up from childhood or "just" being recruited out of a family with a history of service, after all.

I agree too, the reason why I think Kasrkins are best is ( I am not sure is this is retconned ) because of the way they are becoming Kasrkin. You start as white-shield, then you became Guardsmen and only after you survive several years or decades of service you become Kasrkin. So unlike ST who are trained is school and IST who are trained from noble families Kasrkins are trained from birth, then served as Whiteshield and as a Guardsmen to finally become one. If this is not the representation of the elite when it comes to ordinary Humans I don't know what is ( of course Sisters are more elite when ordinary Humans are in question, power armor after all ).

 Lynata wrote:

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:When I said "elite of Human military" I didn't include Space Marines there ( because they are super-humans, not much point in doing that ).

Yet it's not the Cadians which are called in when a Marine Chapter goes rogue, but another elite human military force.

That's because Cadians are to busy fighting the good stuff like Tyranids, Necons, Orks, Tau, Eldar...

That is also how you become a Death Korps Grenadier (the real term for a Death Korps Stormtrooper)

After that, 8 Grenadiers out of 10 will die. The rest will rank up and become officers.

I know about that too, Krieg are really scary - you get the promotion and you think the worst is over. Then they troll you in you first battle by putting you in front of ordinary solders.
Gotta love Death Korps.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:I agree too, the reason why I think Kasrkins are best is ( I am not sure is this is retconned ) because of the way they are becoming Kasrkin. You start as white-shield, then you became Guardsmen and only after you survive several years or decades of service you become Kasrkin. So unlike ST who are trained is school and IST who are trained from noble families Kasrkins are trained from birth, then served as Whiteshield and as a Guardsmen to finally become one.

The tricky thing about the Munitorum's Storm Trooper regiment is that - or at least this is my interpretation of how their usage was explained - they'd have a much higher casualty rate just from being sent from one hellish war zone into another, all across the galaxy. Cadian Kasrkin, on the other hand, actually get to take "time off" on Cadia itself, and have more routine assignments in-between the truly dangerous ones. That's also how I rationalise the Munitorum Storm Troopers being such a small force - 15 years of training resulting in a soldier who has a high chance of dying on his first dozen missions, and it'll only get even more likely after that... Basically, a little like what Bobthehero wrote about Krieg Grenadiers.

ISTs have it "somewhat" easier in that they are not just sent into the most risky assignments all the time but also pull simple guard duty on Inquisitorial facilities or Black Ships tho.

Oh hey, look what I found...