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I played a game today aganist a friend and lost due to denial. The objective in question was on top of a ruin and I had a squad on the second floor in CC with his unit and a squad on the top floor on the objective. My question is can he deny an objective if he is in assult with a unit that is not the unit on the objective and on at least one floor down from the unit that is on the objective? Couldn't find in the rule book, also if this question has already been answered sorry for reapting and if you show where it is that would be great. Thanks

This belongs in YMDC

Thanks didn't know where to put it

If he has a scoring or denial model anywhere in a 3 inch bubble (3D) with the objective at the center then he is contesting.

Ok I was thinking that, but with the enemy unit tied up with another unit and being in a ruin on another floor I was just wondering if that changed anything.

Moved now!

If an enemy unit is locked in combat and has a model inside the 3" radius, even if you have a free scoring unit next to the objective it is still being contested. Don't have my rulebook with me but from what i remember the only condition to contest is that a denial unit is inside the 3" radius and not falling back.

Alpharius thank you for moving it.
Alright well I gioing to have bring more dakka to table then.

Yes, it doesn't matter what the denial unit is doing. If they are within the 3" then they are contesting.

Most of the time the way the scoring and denial units are close enough to the objective is because they are in close combat with each other.

However, even if the unit holding the objective is in melee, if there isn't a denial unit within 3" they are still holding it. The enemy must be physically within 3" to stop you holding it.

Well the thing is I had unit on the top floor of the ruin holding the objective and he had a unit of battlesuits on the second floor in CC with another unit of mine. The way he got denial was from the head of the battlesuit to the objective. So I ask in this situation does denial come from the base of the model or from the model itself?

Well as ruins are generally 3 inches between floors if his unit was directly below the objective one floor below the objective he would deny.

That said you measure from the base of the model to the objective.

Thanks for the info that is what I thought about it having to be near the base and not the model itself, but at the time I didn't want to fight about it. That might have been my game then, but it doesn't matter I have been beating him for a while now I was bound to lose sooner or later.

He may have been confusing the rules for squad coherency in multi-level ruins, which allow you to measure from any part of the body of a model on a lower level, to the base of a squadmate on a higher level. AND they allow up to SIX inches for vertical coherency; probably because some of the Cities of Death terrain kits have very long distances between floors.

Yeah he mentioned that there was a picture in the rule book about that, but I was not sure that worked with denial though.