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The negative influence of Lakorn


Because lakorn present a melodramatic storyline featuring simple one-dimensional characterizations to capture the broadest viewership and commercial sponsorship, they generally do not foster critical insight, reasoning or problem-solving skills, nor a multi-perspective consideration of the human drama being viewed. They are simply an attempt to create dramatic tension and a "showdown" between the protagonist(s) and antagonist(s). Several Lakorn adhere to this simple format which, over an extended period, may cause some viewers to develop a skewed view of reality. At least one critic contends that the recent political problems in Thailand may be at least partially attributable to the negative influence of lakorn, surmising that it is the disregard of common sense and common human wisdom that causes people to shy away from thinking critically, and as a result, becoming prone to manipulation.

In year 2008, Thai Airways flight attendants urged the government to remove a prime-time TV drama ("Songkhram Nang Fah") because it showed stewardesses wearing short skirts fighting while in uniform over a male pilot. They complained the soap opera portrayed hostesses in a negative light.

It is true. the recent incident, where Channel 3 of Thailand (Jointly controlled by private company--the Bangkok Entertainment Company", and government-owned company, the MCOT) axxed a Prime Time Lakorn, "Nuea Mek 2: The Witch Hunters", it sparked a considerable scale outcry on Facebooks in Thailand. when the facts are not yet brought to light, several folks (especially those who has a low opinions towards the Yingluck Shinawatra and, to some extent, her brother--Thaksin)


The reason is due to the recent political crises in Thailand since 2005 came the phenomenon of Colour wars. Reds VS Yellows, the war between the supporters (Reds) of Shinawatra clan.. (viewing the two members of the clan--Thaksin and his sister, Yingluck, are the long-awaited leader (some even says they are the political Messiah) who brought both PROGRESS to the nation, PROSPERITY to the underclasses, and effectively solving the endemic Narcotics problems), and the so called 'conservatives' (Yellows), opposing the clan to the end. claiming them to be corrupt, evil, heretics, witches, anti-establishments, and sometimes, the Devils themselves (and believing that the now-opposition party... the Democrats, are more democratic, sincere, grace, orthodox, pro-establishment, and anti-witches), if this conflicts took place in the more-developed world. (the USA, the UK and Republic of France, for example), the political gatherings of both sides will be much more peaceful and excretes less-hostile fumes.

the conflicts between the two had reached its peak first in 2006, and then 2008-2010. leading to series of open fights. the conflict culminated in the 19th May 2010 Massacre, the Abhisidh Vejjajeva autorized military crackdown against 'Reds' protesters. during the courses of the conflicts, numerous 'witch hunt' occours, the suspects were likely to be treated unfair.. After the massacre however. Abhisidh did try what he believed to be 'reconcilliation, events that led up to the general election of the mid 2011. the elections that favors the Reds. there might be yellow political protests by that year if not because of the deluge that followed a few weeks of the Inaguration. the worst deluge since 1995 that crippled much of the national industrial compounds and washed away so many lives, luckier citizens in the flood-stricken area suffered homeless and diseases at worst, yet despite the prolonged hostilities, the greatest public relief efforts poured towards the victims, the reliefs done with a pure consent and without any form of authorities forced upon them, and the relief supplies were distributed to the victims regardless of political affilations of the donors and the reciplients. everyone expects that from that moments on the political standoffs will be more 'constructive', some even believes as optimistic as saying that there will be no grand-scale protests that ends in blood. the hostility however, resumed in the following year. the just-passed by TWO OH ONE TWO. the largest protest, on the 24th november, against the current governments. when there were an attempts to march towards the Parliaments, the mobs were kept at bay without even a single drop of blood spoiled the very ground.

the recents incidents proved the facts in Wikipedia that the Lakorns may have fan the flames of political standoffs in Thailand and lead to open fights. because all Lakorns presented the simple ethics where Protagonists are always good, alturistic, and always shrugs off evil stains and never falls to the dark sides, and Antagonists are always do all evils to its very ends to pursue their own goals, and never repent their villanities, the endings are always the Protagonists won and had a happy life after, the Antagonists suffer the retribution of the so called 'Bad Karma' , suffer to its utter ends, hearthbroken, incarcenated, death, or even, go to hell.. Literally! yes! same ol. ethics you were expected from all fairytails, there's no such things like complex ethics, Antihero (think of Catwoman--meow) who did all deeds just either to survive the bitterness of day 2 day life, or once was a good person but fell to a situation that needs to be evil, or had been through a big bad tragedy and then losts all faith in goodness (and even believes in vendetta rather than letting the Karma does all its works instead)-- rarely exists in Lakorn. the expression of simple ethics and easy-resolving situations might have dulled audiences sense of critical thinking. ones that real life ethics are much more complex and should be resolved differently. the lacks of such logics caused many Thai citizens to be manipulated to the will of either political leaders. listening to its leaders and associated him/her/them with Protagonists and the oppositions with the Antagonists of any 'high-rating' Lakorns.

As i've watched Star Wars in all six episodes, it is a bit melodramatic but, the life of Anakin Skywalker towards his Jedihood unto his death captivates me. he is the example how 'advanced ethics' works. Not any characters in Thai Lakorns possessed the advanced ethics conflicts. also some Korean historical TV plays did alot better in expressing the complex ethics of the 'conspiracy theory'. and expressing how a good character turns evil, or vice versa. and being evil doesn't mean that a character must look like a villain, and when confront with a good character, the two doesn't need to fight a duel nor catfights (meow), nor trying to eliminate/subdue every GOOD characters that's not thier prime targets. while Korean TV plays are becoming popular here in Thailand, the Lakorns now becomes a BIG HIT in China! yes! Chinese TV channels bought a Lakorn from Channel 3 or Channel 7 , dubbed Chinese (and maybe adding Chinese subtitles) and then aired there. much a surprise to me oyes!

Whatchu think? but sorry. no english-written news on the incident available yet.

It doesn't seem like oversimplified plots on t.v. and the like are an item restricted to one country or the other on this planet.

Here the full Wiki on Lankorn


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_television_soap_opera

does that about sum it up, Lonecat?

I'm so confused.

Relapse wrote:
It doesn't seem like oversimplified plots on t.v. and the like are an item restricted to one country or the other on this planet.

Here the full Wiki on Lankorn


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_television_soap_opera

does that about sum it up, Lonecat?

no. I need a discussions of the most current sitations. another disturbing fact that grows from the Lakorn melodramatic nature is that. some Lakorns can be easily made as propaganda serving one of the two political camps. (and in the same time attacking the rivals). or the airing methods controlled by the TV agencies can provoke political outcry.

http://www.viki.com/channels/7024-neua-mek-2 Here the news of the Lakorn in question being discontinued, followed by its audiences blamed both Channel 3 for serving the needs of the current government, and the government itself. Though the facts as I know it is that the cabinet and the Prime Minister spokesman was shocked of the news. the spokeman who his schedule is too tight to watch any Lakorn, the fact that there are no official orders to ban it.

credit to sugar daily


Government Officials Deny Involvement in “Neua Mek 2″ Ban

Amid allegations of government intervention in the termination of “Neua Mek 2″ the controversial series that abruptly got pulled off air, government officials from the Prime Minister’s office have since come out to deny the allegations. ”Suranand Vejjajiva” (Secretary-General of the PM) claim that government never interferes with media or news publications.


The social media and viewers suggest that the lakorn make many references to the government and it’s corruption. Viewers cite “Thaksin Shinawatra” the former PM as being responsible for pulling the lakorn off air. Officials refute these claims while defending that Mr. Thaksin is overseas in Dubai, it’s impossible he watched the series and pressed for the ban.

Produced by Chatchai Plengpanich the series is said to be politically motivated, focusing on corruption within the government. The Plengpanich family is vocal one when it comes to politics, even taking a personal stab at “Prime Minister’s Yingluck Shinawatra’s” english.

See: http://asianfuse.net/discuzz/topic/48794-ch3-neua-mek-2-medta-lae-mahaniyom/page-474

It is said that the Plengpanich couples were anti-Shinawatra (or one could say that they're yelloes). and it is likely that the problematic Neua Mek 2 is propaganda, another news said that the bureaucracy to approve Lakorn broadcast is actually problematic, there also said that the Ch3 did practice several backdoor deals/lobbying with the former governments, and this lakorn was said to be approved just before the day of the general election of 2011. though ANY government can, and did mess with the media. through. one faction might plant a bomb on a soap opera once he saw that the public is against them, hoping that the TV play will change public opinion to their favor, then as predicted, the opposite faction won the vote, became government and simply turn a blind eye on the propaganda or if they found out that the TV play is either attacking them or causing another political outcry, or simply ignore it only to be attacked later when the station suddenly ban the aired Lakorn out of nowhere. in this case if a Lakorn is to be banned, it should NOT be aired there EVEN a single episode. saying that the Shinawatra clan is involved in this incident is unlikely. Ch3 does mess fully with politics and as a result, subject to the great arson of 19th May 2010. followed up the massacre. It is likely that Ch3 is at odds with the clan and wants to attack them but found no opportunity to do so. (Because the Abhisidh Vejjajeva administrations never unversally accepted as clean enough to induce trusts from the citizen, and the fact that Yingluck Shinawatra 's administrations brought much progress, and being so serious on the 'promises', that made her popular). the ban is likely self-imposed.

some Thai citizens did a 'political mockup' cartoon , while citing that it is 'romours' it is a fun pun on the government. not a strong hostile attacking. others attacked the government outright but since the attacks found only in social network, then it is possible that the comments were generated from the members of Yellow faction and not centric citizens.

one critics is worth mentioning

Well NM2 made history LOL 5 years in some Thai history textbook, in 2012, lakorn NM2 disclosed Thai Government Scandal HAHA unintentionally too. Keke. Or was it really the scriptwriter's intention? Haha

a quote from the forum in question. I believe it is latter. The NM2 itself featured what you could described as "Wizard wars", involving the uses of the (folk) magicks of all form (Usually cambodian-based ones) and clashes betwen different paths (Lights VS Darks), later on the dichotomy between the 'Church' and the 'Heretics', it is assumed that. through the mixture of the Directors point of view, and ones of the Pro-government citizens. the 'Church' means "Aristocrats", upper classes of the family of social elites who are likely to be irritated by the presence of the Red faction, and heavily uses of religious powers (ANY World religions practices by the folks will do, in Thailand it is Buddhism, in Latin America, Christianity of the Roman Catholics are likely to be portrayed) to back their righterous claim of doing various ill deeds, and also included the 'Conservatives' sympathetics, in NM2 it is explicitely implied that the 'Church' is Yellow. Heretics in the other hand, are usually the underclass citizens, viewed the church as corrupt, oppressing, and uncompromising, and believes that the Church is all sources of their misery, believing that any changes imposed upon them will ease their sufferings (and the changes are not neccessary violence ones). yet it is not neccessary that the 'Heretics' shun the world relegions and worships witchcrafts, but in NM2 the directors explicitely implied that Reds (and the Shinawatra clan, portrayed by some characters some in the play) are heretics and heavily dependent on witchcraft. and thus giving the validity of Witch hunts. This dichotomic propanda is purely problematic and is likely to create any form of rightwing despotism (including the dreadful Fascism). If the ban is deemed undemocratic, the intentionally-propaganda TV play does not promote the sphere of democracy either.

 Lone Cat wrote:

Relapse wrote:
It doesn't seem like oversimplified plots on t.v. and the like are an item restricted to one country or the other on this planet.

Here the full Wiki on Lankorn


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_television_soap_opera

does that about sum it up, Lonecat?

no. I need a discussions of the most current sitations. another disturbing fact that grows from the Lakorn melodramatic nature is that. some Lakorns can be easily made as propaganda serving one of the two political camps. (and in the same time attacking the rivals). or the airing methods controlled by the TV agencies can provoke political outcry.

http://www.viki.com/channels/7024-neua-mek-2 Here the news of the Lakorn in question being discontinued, followed by its audiences blamed both Channel 3 for serving the needs of the current government, and the government itself. Though the facts as I know it is that the cabinet and the Prime Minister spokesman was shocked of the news. the spokeman who his schedule is too tight to watch any Lakorn, the fact that there are no official orders to ban it.

credit to sugar daily


Government Officials Deny Involvement in “Neua Mek 2″ Ban

Amid allegations of government intervention in the termination of “Neua Mek 2″ the controversial series that abruptly got pulled off air, government officials from the Prime Minister’s office have since come out to deny the allegations. ”Suranand Vejjajiva” (Secretary-General of the PM) claim that government never interferes with media or news publications.


The social media and viewers suggest that the lakorn make many references to the government and it’s corruption. Viewers cite “Thaksin Shinawatra” the former PM as being responsible for pulling the lakorn off air. Officials refute these claims while defending that Mr. Thaksin is overseas in Dubai, it’s impossible he watched the series and pressed for the ban.

Produced by Chatchai Plengpanich the series is said to be politically motivated, focusing on corruption within the government. The Plengpanich family is vocal one when it comes to politics, even taking a personal stab at “Prime Minister’s Yingluck Shinawatra’s” english.

See: http://asianfuse.net/discuzz/topic/48794-ch3-neua-mek-2-medta-lae-mahaniyom/page-474

It is said that the Plengpanich couples were anti-Shinawatra (or one could say that they're yelloes). and it is likely that the problematic Neua Mek 2 is propaganda, another news said that the bureaucracy to approve Lakorn broadcast is actually problematic, there also said that the Ch3 did practice several backdoor deals/lobbying with the former governments, and this lakorn was said to be approved just before the day of the general election of 2011. though ANY government can, and did mess with the media. through. one faction might plant a bomb on a soap opera once he saw that the public is against them, hoping that the TV play will change public opinion to their favor, then as predicted, the opposite faction won the vote, became government and simply turn a blind eye on the propaganda or if they found out that the TV play is either attacking them or causing another political outcry, or simply ignore it only to be attacked later when the station suddenly ban the aired Lakorn out of nowhere. in this case if a Lakorn is to be banned, it should NOT be aired there EVEN a single episode. saying that the Shinawatra clan is involved in this incident is unlikely. Ch3 does mess fully with politics and as a result, subject to the great arson of 19th May 2010. followed up the massacre. It is likely that Ch3 is at odds with the clan and wants to attack them but found no opportunity to do so. (Because the Abhisidh Vejjajeva administrations never unversally accepted as clean enough to induce trusts from the citizen, and the fact that Yingluck Shinawatra 's administrations brought much progress, and being so serious on the 'promises', that made her popular). the ban is likely self-imposed.

some Thai citizens did a 'political mockup' cartoon , while citing that it is 'romours' it is a fun pun on the government. not a strong hostile attacking. others attacked the government outright but since the attacks found only in social network, then it is possible that the comments were generated from the members of Yellow faction and not centric citizens.

one critics is worth mentioning

Well NM2 made history LOL 5 years in some Thai history textbook, in 2012, lakorn NM2 disclosed Thai Government Scandal HAHA unintentionally too. Keke. Or was it really the scriptwriter's intention? Haha

a quote from the forum in question. I believe it is latter. The NM2 itself featured what you could described as "Wizard wars", involving the uses of the (folk) magicks of all form (Usually cambodian-based ones) and clashes betwen different paths (Lights VS Darks), later on the dichotomy between the 'Church' and the 'Heretics', it is assumed that. through the mixture of the Directors point of view, and ones of the Pro-government citizens. the 'Church' means "Aristocrats", upper classes of the family of social elites who are likely to be irritated by the presence of the Red faction, and heavily uses of religious powers (ANY World religions practices by the folks will do, in Thailand it is Buddhism, in Latin America, Christianity of the Roman Catholics are likely to be portrayed) to back their righterous claim of doing various ill deeds, and also included the 'Conservatives' sympathetics, in NM2 it is explicitely implied that the 'Church' is Yellow. Heretics in the other hand, are usually the underclass citizens, viewed the church as corrupt, oppressing, and uncompromising, and believes that the Church is all sources of their misery, believing that any changes imposed upon them will ease their sufferings (and the changes are not neccessary violence ones). yet it is not neccessary that the 'Heretics' shun the world relegions and worships witchcrafts, but in NM2 the directors explicitely implied that Reds (and the Shinawatra clan, portrayed by some characters some in the play) are heretics and heavily dependent on witchcraft. and thus giving the validity of Witch hunts. This dichotomic propanda is purely problematic and is likely to create any form of rightwing despotism (including the dreadful Fascism). If the ban is deemed undemocratic, the intentionally-propaganda TV play does not promote the sphere of democracy either.

If I read you right, these shows are propaganda, inflaming people to one veiwpoint or another. If that's the case, then I quote an old underground comic book character named Mr. Natural, "Twas ever thus".

This kind of stuff has been going on for... at least a few hundred years...

Relapse wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:

Relapse wrote:
It doesn't seem like oversimplified plots on t.v. and the like are an item restricted to one country or the other on this planet.

Here the full Wiki on Lankorn


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_television_soap_opera

does that about sum it up, Lonecat?

no. I need a discussions of the most current sitations. another disturbing fact that grows from the Lakorn melodramatic nature is that. some Lakorns can be easily made as propaganda serving one of the two political camps. (and in the same time attacking the rivals). or the airing methods controlled by the TV agencies can provoke political outcry.

http://www.viki.com/channels/7024-neua-mek-2 Here the news of the Lakorn in question being discontinued, followed by its audiences blamed both Channel 3 for serving the needs of the current government, and the government itself. Though the facts as I know it is that the cabinet and the Prime Minister spokesman was shocked of the news. the spokeman who his schedule is too tight to watch any Lakorn, the fact that there are no official orders to ban it.

credit to sugar daily


Government Officials Deny Involvement in “Neua Mek 2″ Ban

Amid allegations of government intervention in the termination of “Neua Mek 2″ the controversial series that abruptly got pulled off air, government officials from the Prime Minister’s office have since come out to deny the allegations. ”Suranand Vejjajiva” (Secretary-General of the PM) claim that government never interferes with media or news publications.


The social media and viewers suggest that the lakorn make many references to the government and it’s corruption. Viewers cite “Thaksin Shinawatra” the former PM as being responsible for pulling the lakorn off air. Officials refute these claims while defending that Mr. Thaksin is overseas in Dubai, it’s impossible he watched the series and pressed for the ban.

Produced by Chatchai Plengpanich the series is said to be politically motivated, focusing on corruption within the government. The Plengpanich family is vocal one when it comes to politics, even taking a personal stab at “Prime Minister’s Yingluck Shinawatra’s” english.

See: http://asianfuse.net/discuzz/topic/48794-ch3-neua-mek-2-medta-lae-mahaniyom/page-474

It is said that the Plengpanich couples were anti-Shinawatra (or one could say that they're yelloes). and it is likely that the problematic Neua Mek 2 is propaganda, another news said that the bureaucracy to approve Lakorn broadcast is actually problematic, there also said that the Ch3 did practice several backdoor deals/lobbying with the former governments, and this lakorn was said to be approved just before the day of the general election of 2011. though ANY government can, and did mess with the media. through. one faction might plant a bomb on a soap opera once he saw that the public is against them, hoping that the TV play will change public opinion to their favor, then as predicted, the opposite faction won the vote, became government and simply turn a blind eye on the propaganda or if they found out that the TV play is either attacking them or causing another political outcry, or simply ignore it only to be attacked later when the station suddenly ban the aired Lakorn out of nowhere. in this case if a Lakorn is to be banned, it should NOT be aired there EVEN a single episode. saying that the Shinawatra clan is involved in this incident is unlikely. Ch3 does mess fully with politics and as a result, subject to the great arson of 19th May 2010. followed up the massacre. It is likely that Ch3 is at odds with the clan and wants to attack them but found no opportunity to do so. (Because the Abhisidh Vejjajeva administrations never unversally accepted as clean enough to induce trusts from the citizen, and the fact that Yingluck Shinawatra 's administrations brought much progress, and being so serious on the 'promises', that made her popular). the ban is likely self-imposed.

some Thai citizens did a 'political mockup' cartoon , while citing that it is 'romours' it is a fun pun on the government. not a strong hostile attacking. others attacked the government outright but since the attacks found only in social network, then it is possible that the comments were generated from the members of Yellow faction and not centric citizens.

one critics is worth mentioning

Well NM2 made history LOL 5 years in some Thai history textbook, in 2012, lakorn NM2 disclosed Thai Government Scandal HAHA unintentionally too. Keke. Or was it really the scriptwriter's intention? Haha

a quote from the forum in question. I believe it is latter. The NM2 itself featured what you could described as "Wizard wars", involving the uses of the (folk) magicks of all form (Usually cambodian-based ones) and clashes betwen different paths (Lights VS Darks), later on the dichotomy between the 'Church' and the 'Heretics', it is assumed that. through the mixture of the Directors point of view, and ones of the Pro-government citizens. the 'Church' means "Aristocrats", upper classes of the family of social elites who are likely to be irritated by the presence of the Red faction, and heavily uses of religious powers (ANY World religions practices by the folks will do, in Thailand it is Buddhism, in Latin America, Christianity of the Roman Catholics are likely to be portrayed) to back their righterous claim of doing various ill deeds, and also included the 'Conservatives' sympathetics, in NM2 it is explicitely implied that the 'Church' is Yellow. Heretics in the other hand, are usually the underclass citizens, viewed the church as corrupt, oppressing, and uncompromising, and believes that the Church is all sources of their misery, believing that any changes imposed upon them will ease their sufferings (and the changes are not neccessary violence ones). yet it is not neccessary that the 'Heretics' shun the world relegions and worships witchcrafts, but in NM2 the directors explicitely implied that Reds (and the Shinawatra clan, portrayed by some characters some in the play) are heretics and heavily dependent on witchcraft. and thus giving the validity of Witch hunts. This dichotomic propanda is purely problematic and is likely to create any form of rightwing despotism (including the dreadful Fascism). If the ban is deemed undemocratic, the intentionally-propaganda TV play does not promote the sphere of democracy either.

If I read you right, these shows are propaganda, inflaming people to one veiwpoint or another. If that's the case, then I quote an old underground comic book character named Mr. Natural, "Twas ever thus".

Actually it is. the Red website even exposed that the whole Lakorn crew (except Nadej) are all 'yellows'.

another story is that. the contract deal between BEC-TERO Entertainment Public Co. Ltd (Owner of Ch. 3) and the former government (Abhisidh Vejjajeva)to extend the existing contracts for 10 more years. the deal that was later found out to be illegal. the 3rd world backdoor lobby deal. and it is now being placed under the investigation of the DSI (Thailand version of the FBI), executives of the BEC-Tero was scheduled to testify of the allegations of such deals. in the following days. the NM2 is discontinued. without any involvements of the government crews. If the government is to ban that problematic 'propaganda', there is a bureaucracy, the government must pass the order to the National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission (NBTC) to ban the TV play and inform the reasons to do so. then the NBTC will investigate, and later determine whether did the defendant did any wrongdoings. according to the recent developments,
- Govt. spokesman refuted, sayin' that they are too busy to watch any Lakorns. a fact of Councilmen's life
- National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission (NBTC) crews revealed that Ch. 3 executives actually submitted a petition to ban that problematic Lakorn due to the 'inappropriate contents', no signed orders from anyone in the government has been submitted to the NBTC asking to do the same.

the evident is clear. Channel 3 is now playing politics.

Is there any similar incidents that sparked a massive political outcry in the US or UK? meow

Television "soap operas" don't have the same level of influence in most of the English speaking world. While they do have their share of fanatical viewers, and spates of suicides when (on the odd occasion) major characters are killed off, they aren't quite the same thing as this lakorn stuff.

The last time I recall a TV show sparking any kind of political outcry was "Murphy Brown" (I think) and its "acceptance" of single-motherhood (reaction from the not-exactly bright Dan Quayle).

n the show's 1991–1992 season, Murphy became pregnant. When her baby's father (ex-husband and current underground radical Jake Lowenstein) expressed his unwillingness to give up his own lifestyle to be a parent, Murphy chose to have the child and raise it alone. Another major fiction-reality blending came at Murphy's baby shower: the invited guests were journalists Katie Couric, Joan Lunden, Paula Zahn, Mary Alice Williams and Faith Daniels, who treated the fictional Murphy and Corky as friends and peers.

At the point where she was about to give birth, she had stated that "several people do not want me to have the baby. Pat Robertson; Phyllis Schlafly; half of Utah!" Right after giving birth to her son, Avery, Murphy sang the song "(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman" by Aretha Franklin. This storyline made the show a subject of political controversy during the 1992 American presidential campaign. On May 19, 1992, then-Vice President Dan Quayle spoke at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. During his speech,[5] he criticized the Murphy Brown character for "ignoring the importance of fathers by birthing a child alone".

Quayle's remarks caused a public discussion on family values, culminating in the 1992–93 season premiere.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I'm so confused.

Well first: Lonecat.

To clear up the confusion:
There is a segment from Wikipedia about Thai novellas.
Then there is a meandering summarization of Thai politics that leaves out the military coup and, of course, involves witches.
Then we get a lecture on protagonists, antagonists, and karma. Plus Star Wars.



I'm afraid I don't understand your confusion. Or do I?

 AustonT wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I'm so confused.

Well first: Lonecat.

To clear up the confusion:
There is a segment from Wikipedia about Thai novellas.
Then there is a meandering summarization of Thai politics that leaves out the military coup and, of course, involves witches.
Then we get a lecture on protagonists, antagonists, and karma. Plus Star Wars.

I'm afraid I don't understand your confusion. Or do I?

I bet y'all know about Coup d'Etat in 2006 and the follow-up hate plagues.
Witches are the portrayal of anti-junta, "anti-loyalism", "anti-conservativism" movements. fact is. conservativism movements around the world attaches themselves to (mainstream) religion of their respective nations. and often mixed up religions with politics. depending on an environments and national cultures of violences. (that involves the attitudes towards, patriotism, war, draconism, death sentences, lynching, duelling, etc.) and .. maybe, how overall society of a nation in question developes and their progress of developments. conservativism of any form disdains its opponents (usually 'leftwings' ) , in its most violent forms, mainstream religions (and usually "The National Church") are viewed as "Ultimate good", anything not in line with their believes will be denounced as utter evil (or even the Devil) and "should not coexist", thus giving a good excuse of "Witch hunting" politics... examples of such conservativisms since the WW2 includes Francisco Franco regime, Greek Junta (During that regime, all of its opponents are summarily viewed as communists and thus being either 'witches', 'heretics' or 'antichrists') , Taliban rule, and Iran since 'Islamic Revolution'.

And as I said, Witches VS The Church is explicitely portrayed in NM2 and intentionally it was made as Ultraconservativist/Yellowish propaganda.

The Phillipines had another coup in 2006?

Is it a national festival or something? We're bored, let's hold a coup!

I'm afraid you won't find many here who even know what you're talking about - let alone understand any of it.