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Had an issue come up in a game the other day, and I haven't played 40k a ton lately, so I was a bit rusty on how LOS works now.

Basically, we played it like this. I shot three obliterators using assault cannons at a unit of 5 terminators with a terminator chaplain up front. Since he was the closest, wounds would go to him first.

I rolled a damn decent 5 rending rolls, and 3 other wounds. I decided to resolve the rending ones first. He had enough terminators near him, so he rolled a LOS for the 5 rending wounds. He managed to fail 2 of them, so he proceeded to roll two invulnerable saves on the chaplain and three on the regular terminators. The regulars failed 1, and the chaplain failed 1. The chaplain then rolled a LOS for the remaining 3 regular wounds, passed all of them, and the regular terminators failed 1 armor save. So the chaplain took 1 wound, and two other terminators died.

Was this the correct way to play this out, and are there any other ways to do it? The RAW are still a little confusing for me.

Thanks!

So it was 5/3 wounds.

LOS for IC's is a 2+ per allocated wound.

Than roll saves where appropriate.

Right, I guess what I was wondering is if he could have done it this way:

1. Roll saving throws for chaplain.
2. Roll LOS for any wounds that were not saved.
3. Kill a terminator for every LOS passed.
4. Remove a wound from the chaplain for each LOS failed.

Possible?

 Aipoch wrote:
Right, I guess what I was wondering is if he could have done it this way:

1. Roll saving throws for chaplain.
2. Roll LOS for any wounds that were not saved.
3. Kill a terminator for every LOS passed.
4. Remove a wound from the chaplain for each LOS failed.

Possible?

That's now how the rules on pg 16 tell us to do it.
You'd be LOS'ing failed saves.

LOS is for allocated wounds being reallocated.

 Aipoch wrote:
Right, I guess what I was wondering is if he could have done it this way:

1. Roll saving throws for chaplain.
2. Roll LOS for any wounds that were not saved.
3. Kill a terminator for every LOS passed.
4. Remove a wound from the chaplain for each LOS failed.

Possible?

Nope, LoS!, then save for the model affected (the char if LoS! fail, the nearest buddy if LoS! pass).
This is due to the possibility of the models having different saves. The FAQ for the rulebook adds that you use the rules for mixed saves in any unit containing a character.

To save time you can roll saves first if the unit has the same save.

So if you have the aforementioned unit of terminators and they need to take 5 rending saves and 3 normal saves, you would have to resolve Look out Sir first for the rending wounds because the chaplain has a 4+Invuln from the rosarius and the Terminators have a 5+Invuln from their armor. But the 3 normal wounds can be done all at once and then Look out sir any failed saves.

But that is just to save time.

Actually you can't. In the FAQ all units with a character in it must use the Mixed Save method of Saves.

Here is how it should work, you guys are over complicating it. All of the saves would go on the chaplain. Any failed ones can use the 2+ LOS save to TRANSFER the unsaved wound onto another model.

 riverhawks32 wrote:
Here is how it should work, you guys are over complicating it. All of the saves would go on the chaplain. Any failed ones can use the 2+ LOS save to TRANSFER the unsaved wound onto another model.

That's actually very incorrect. You cannot LOS unsaved wounds.

Page 16 – Shooting Phase, Look Out, Sir
Delete “(or unsaved Wounds)” from the first paragraph.

 riverhawks32 wrote:
Here is how it should work, you guys are over complicating it. All of the saves would go on the chaplain. Any failed ones can use the 2+ LOS save to TRANSFER the unsaved wound onto another model.

You need to read the FAQ. It completely changes how LOS works from what it written in the brb.

It was people not reading LOS fully in the first place that brought about the changes to both LOS and the change in save methods for Characters. LOS only worked at the point of allocation so while you use to be able to LOS the saved wounds from the same save method you could not if they had been allocated to the character then saved. The changes completely take out that option.

Gravmyr wrote:
Actually you can't. In the FAQ all units with a character in it must use the Mixed Save method of Saves.

Actually you can if it is agreed upon to save time is what I was saying.

Because if they all have the same save the outcome will be the same if you take Look out sir before or after saves.

 DeathReaper wrote:

Gravmyr wrote:
Actually you can't. In the FAQ all units with a character in it must use the Mixed Save method of Saves.

Actually you can if it is agreed upon to save time is what I was saying.

Because if they all have the same save the outcome will be the same if you take Look out sir before or after saves.

You strive to break the least amount of rules, however that would be breaking a rule.

If you'd like to houserule it that way than go for it.

I don't do it that way just to keep it consistent, that and it really confuses people.
Not to mention people still try to use LOS wrong all the time. It just helps to do it the "proper" way to ease confusion.

 riverhawks32 wrote:
Here is how it should work, you guys are over complicating it. All of the saves would go on the chaplain. Any failed ones can use the 2+ LOS save to TRANSFER the unsaved wound onto another model.

This isn't correct.

OP- You guys did it right.

Ahhh thanks guys, shows how much I've been playing 40k vs WFB D:
And I thought I was all cool knowing my stuff

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

Gravmyr wrote:
Actually you can't. In the FAQ all units with a character in it must use the Mixed Save method of Saves.

Actually you can if it is agreed upon to save time is what I was saying.

Because if they all have the same save the outcome will be the same if you take Look out sir before or after saves.

You strive to break the least amount of rules, however that would be breaking a rule.

If you'd like to houserule it that way than go for it.

I don't do it that way just to keep it consistent, that and it really confuses people.
Not to mention people still try to use LOS wrong all the time. It just helps to do it the "proper" way to ease confusion.

That is what I said. It is not RAW, but can be used if it is agreed upon to save time.

The outcome is the same if you roll saves first and Look out sir second, or you Look out sir first and roll saves second. for same save units.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Actually you can if it is agreed upon to save time is what I was saying.

Because if they all have the same save the outcome will be the same if you take Look out sir before or after saves.

Yeah if your group wants to house rule it back to the original wording hell yeah. We still play by the original rules just to save time ourselves. So cool yup.