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So, I'm gearing up my Khorne army (CSM with allied daemons), and I'm at a bit of an impass how to run my allied daemon prince. I can ether give him wings, or ditch the wings and pass out 60 points of goodies to the rest of my army.
My general experience fighting against flying MCs (both daemon and tyranid) have been pretty unimpressive. They're pretty easy to smack out of the sky with any basic grunts, and then it's just a matter of pouring fire on them. So the issue is, if it's just going to get grounded anyway, why sink that many points into it, when I could add some juicy upgrades elsewhere?

Some specifics on my army:

-Khorne Juggernaut Lord, Blind Axe,
-5x Spawn bodyguard,
-8x Khorne Bikers with melta and all the icing
-8x Bersekers
-2x 10x Cultists
-5x Autocannon Havoks
-5x ML Havoks
-Khorne Herald on Chariot
-8x Bloodletters
-Khorne Daemon Prince

Run speedy bikes and spawn up the field, deepstrike herald and prince, (target saturation with scary combat units), second wave of berserkers and bloodletters reinforce/mop up, cultists and havoks hold home objectives and provide fire.

So if my prince has wings, he can redeploy quicker, tackle air threats, and generally be a pain if he manages to survive his deepstriking turn.
OR
I run him without wings, and instead use the points to give him and the herald death-strikes for some deepstrike shooting (instead of sitting there with their thumbs in their bums), some gift of mutations for my champions, and whatever other little gifts I can sprinkle around.

To me, it seems that wings are putting an aweful lot of your eggs in one basket. Am I wrong?

Keep in mind that the Demon Prince is a T5 W3 model, and thus rather vulnerable to S10 weaponry. A great deal of S10 weaponry comes in the form of blast ordnance, which wings negate entirely.

And to my knowledge, there's no reliable way to get S10 skyfire weaponry.

It's a chaos daemon codex - daemon prince, and (at least until the next codex) has eternal warrior, and deepstrike standard.

The CSM prince is rather horrid.

I always take wings on them. It adds in to their survivability.

Blegh. That's what I get for skimming.

All the same, wings are a steal. They were priced for turning him into jump infantry and now you get the snap-fire nonsense on top of it. Take it while you can.

Corollax wrote:


All the same, wings are a steal. They were priced for turning him into jump infantry and now you get the snap-fire nonsense on top of it. Take it while you can.

Considering that the CSM prince gets them for 40 I may see a reduction in their future

Perhaps, but I think it might come at the cost of eternal warrior.

Corollax wrote:
Perhaps, but I think it might come at the cost of eternal warrior.

Possibly, only time will tell.

Mind you at current the CSM princes are absolute monsters while the CD ones are mediocre in comparison.
EW only brings a bit of balance to them imo.

What makes them mediocre?

CD prince is much cheaper, has eternal warrior and deepstrike, solving the problems of survivability and mobility in a nutshell. It's got slightly lower WS, S and I, and can't take chaos artifacts, but it's still more than enough to wreck most targets without breaking a sweat.
185pts for a winged khorne prince, or 145 for a walking death-strike one.
220pts for a CSM winged prince, or 180 for a walking non-shooting one, and both can get punked by a demolisher shell or force weapon.

Maybe if GW faqed them back to eternal warrior (you would have though someone would have counted how many times "immortal" and 'eternal' and 'can never be killed' shows up in the unit entry), but until then, I'll stick with codex daemon princes.