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(EDIT: If you would like to see/comment on the question in the title, skip down a few posts. These comments are resolving an earlier question.)

Well it seems that this is one that i'm really not sure about. Can the Psyker battle squad cast their psychic powers out of the top of the chimera. the only relevant quote i can find on the subject is the special rule that the psyker battle squad has:

Psychic Quoir: The Psyker Battle Squad is treated as a single psyker for the purposes of using a psychic power. The controlling player may measure range and line of sight from any Sanctioned Psyker model when resolving psychic powers.

Sooo yeah, i honestly don't know if this is possible for the battle squad to cast out of the top firing hole.

Any opinions?

Weaken Resolve cannot be used out of the firing point, however the blast can.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Weaken Resolve cannot be used out of the firing point, however the blast can.

Why do you think this?

thisisnotpancho wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Weaken Resolve cannot be used out of the firing point, however the blast can.

Why do you think this?

The blast is a PSA whilst WR is not.

Why does this restrict them from firing it?

thisisnotpancho wrote:
Why does this restrict them from firing it?

Simply because they're not "firing" it.

WR is not a PSA and not a Weapon, it's never fired. As such it has no permission to be used from a fire point.

Hmm, I'm not trying to argue with you for the sake of arguing with you, but what does the weakened resolve classify as then? It seems like you only need line of sight to use weakened resolve, and doesn't the fire point allow you to see the models out of the tank? I'm honestly not sure.

thisisnotpancho wrote:
Why does this restrict them from firing it?

Because the BRB says so - 69. Witchfire aka Psychic Shooting Attack can be used from a firing port. It's given permission while the rest isn't.

And the BRB FAQ also reinforces this.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2590005a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1a.pdf

Q: Can Psykers use a Transport’s Fire Point(s) to manifest powers
that require line of sight whilst still embarked? (p78)
A: No. Note, however, that witchfire powers specifically allow
you to do so and are the one exception to this rule.

Alright, thank you for your feedback.

The firepoint gives you permission to draw Line of Sight out of a firepoint for shooting and PSA's only. No other permission is given to draw Line of Sight out of a firepoint.

thisisnotpancho wrote:
Hmm, I'm not trying to argue with you for the sake of arguing with you, but what does the weakened resolve classify as then? It seems like you only need line of sight to use weakened resolve, and doesn't the fire point allow you to see the models out of the tank? I'm honestly not sure.

No worries.

Pg 78 BGB "a single passenger can fire out of each Fire Point and the other transported models cannot fire. Ranges and LOS are measured from the FP itself."

You only ever have permission to fire out of one.
While what is WR? Not sure, but it's not a PSA for sure.

But I'm still curious how weaken resolve would be classified. It is not classied in it's entry, as the BRB suggests it should be. It is also manifested during their shooting phase, so i would assume it would be a witchfire, as those are the only psychic powers manifested in the shooting phase, but now i am really on a stretch. It's interesting though


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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

thisisnotpancho wrote:
Hmm, I'm not trying to argue with you for the sake of arguing with you, but what does the weakened resolve classify as then? It seems like you only need line of sight to use weakened resolve, and doesn't the fire point allow you to see the models out of the tank? I'm honestly not sure.

No worries.

Pg 78 BGB "a single passenger can fire out of each Fire Point and the other transported models cannot fire. Ranges and LOS are measured from the FP itself."

You only ever have permission to fire out of one.
While what is WR? Not sure, but it's not a PSA for sure.

Ah ghosted my question


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So, if the WR isn't a witchfire, it seems that they could use it if they went to ground last turn/ were ordered to go to ground in the shooting phase before they used the psychic attack. Because it is not classified as a witchfire, and psykers can manifest powers when they go to ground, this seems viable.

What do you think?

Yes, you may use WR after you have gone to ground. Going to Ground doesn't restrict use of any other Psychic powers than PSA's, and even those are just snap-fired.

Luide wrote:
Yes, you may use WR after you have gone to ground. Going to Ground doesn't restrict use of any other Psychic powers than PSA's, and even those are just snap-fired.

IIRC WR auto hits, it's also not a weapon. So it should be good to go.